Joy Beckerman takes a trip down memory-lane to her days touring with the Grateful Dead . She is joined by cannabis attorney and cannabis CPA and hosts of the Deadhead Cannabis Show, Larry Mishkin and Jim Marty. They share stories of how the parking lots of the 'traveling circus' spread the ideas that inspired many of today's industry-leading advocates Produced by PodCONX https://podconx.com/guests/larry-mishkin https://podconx.com/guests/jim-marty
Joy Beckerman takes a trip down memory-lane to her days touring with the Grateful Dead . She is joined by cannabis attorney and cannabis CPA and hosts of the Deadhead Cannabis Show, Larry Mishkin and Jim Marty. They share stories of how the parking lots of the 'traveling circus' spread the ideas that inspired many of today's industry-leading advocates
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Dan Humiston: [00:00:08] Welcome to another episode of Hemp Barons, I'm Dan Humiston. And on today's show, Joy takes a trip down memory lane back to her days following the Grateful Dead with the host of the Deadhead Cannabis show. They share stories about how the band inspired the movement that's finally sweeping across the world. Let's join Joy's conversation with Jim Maadi and Larry Myshkin from the Deadhead Cannabis show.
Joy Beckerman: [00:00:39] Well, welcome, Larry and Jim. Thank you so much for being with us today on Hemp Barons.
Larry Mishkin: [00:00:44] Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here. Yes. Thank you very much.
Joy Beckerman: [00:00:47] Well, we've got two of you, one here. So I'm going to do my best to direct questions so we don't talk too much over one another.
Joy Beckerman: [00:00:55] But I'm very excited to do this show today because you of course, you two gentlemen also have a show on the M.J. Bowls menu. A podcast called The Dead had pointed this out. And as a hardcore Deadhead myself, it's just wonderful to be able to do this with you. And of course, you, Larry Mishkin, are an attorney. I counsel at Hoban law. Group based in Chicago. So very excited to talk about some Cannabis law and policy, particularly as it relates to Hemp with you and the Grateful Dead. Sure. And Marty, you're a CPA with bedrest out of Longmont, Colorado, a place that we all know and love so much. We've got high brow, professional, educated Deadhead podcasters on the line. And it's really fantastic. I want to start with you, if I could, Jim. When did you first discover Hemp? First of all, when did the awareness of Hemp come into your world?
Jim Marty: [00:01:55] Oh, I think it was the summer of 2016. We got our first Hemp from clients. So your average was does a lot of work in the world of marijuana. We have about 350 Cannabis license holder clients around the country and we do their tax returns. And so the Hemp was a natural fit for us as well. And so through our publicity in the marijuana world, Hemp farmers in Colorado found us. And now we have, oh, probably two dozen Hemp clients from extractors. Now we have people selling their product all over the world through the Internet, various CBD and Hemp products. And we have quite a few farmers. Fact On Sunday, I went out to the country to visit one of my friends slash clients and looked at two hundred and fifty thousand pounds of shredded Hemp in a barn in white plastic bags, very large plastic bags that would make whole the whole person. Each bag weighed about 250 pounds.
Joy Beckerman: [00:02:56] Yes, we cover super fashion Hemp. Those are called super.
Jim Marty: [00:03:00] Yeah, I'd never seen those before. Some.
Joy Beckerman: [00:03:02] They are quite a painful part of the Hemp agricultural world. And for all I know, also the agricultural world is so fascinating today. I look at the world you Hemp lies, whereas a farmer looks at the world through agricultural eyes. There's some things that I think might be used to Hemp are absolutely not unique to Hemp. Are used in every crop, but I only learn about it through my deep involvement in the Hemp industry. So unlike Moule, you earn that vote Hemp organically, so to speak, in Colorado, doing your work at the forefront of the cannabis revolution. And you can take advantage of so much of those opportunities in Colorado, obviously, because there are all forms of cannabis have been legal there as well as being in the fore runner forefront of the movement. Because I think you gentlemen know, learned about Hemp from the Grateful Dead parking lot.
Joy Beckerman: [00:03:52] So I learned all kinds of things on the great visit from the Grateful Dead parking lot.
Joy Beckerman: [00:03:58] I learned about half the trials. I learned about world religions. I I learned about self care and veganism and vegetarianism. And I learned about regenerative agriculture and I learned about him on the left in this world.
Jim Marty: [00:04:11] You learn something new every day. I certainly had my share of finding Grateful Dead parking lots. My first Grateful Dead show was January of 79. I had a bit of a unique experience, I think, in that I solved one of the very last. Keith and Donna shows in January of 79. Oh, my girlfriend at the time had got us tickets for Christmas. And it was me and her and her brother Brian. And somehow we were in the fifth row center. I was making eye contact with Gerry my very first shown Brian the brothers. Just this guy next to me says he spends a twenty 25 Grateful Dead shows. Can you believe this? So anyway, what do you do with a girl like that?
Jim Marty: [00:04:51] Turned out I'm in an area and live in my 40 years.
Joy Beckerman: [00:04:57] Man, you knew without asking. He was into the blues, right?
Jim Marty: [00:05:02] Yes. Anyway, five months later, May of 79. The Grateful Dead did a tour of college spring concerts. And they did our spring concert. May 12th, 1979. And that was one of the first Brent middlin shows. So when was the last Keith and Donna shows and one of the first spread messages.
Joy Beckerman: [00:05:20] Amazing. And were you at Larry the fare thee well in California?
Joy Beckerman: [00:05:26] Have you met Bill Cressman, one of the few drummers for the listeners who don't know of the Grateful Dead, may have worn this T-shirt to other concerts. Other performances. But when?
Joy Beckerman: [00:05:37] Well, occurred. He was wearing a Hemp.
Joy Beckerman: [00:05:40] He sat up there and the huge monitor on the plane and hard out for all of that would do the whole Hemp say it was Hemp, weren't you? That was that was what was on it. He said hardpoint you and I'm actually getting killed, that I'm easily pleased because the Hemp and the Grateful Dead ran most of my life and my spirit. And I'm getting killed. As I say, that was more recently, right? That was 2015/2016, I believe. And then he had that. He said, I'm now, Larry, directing this one to you with so many people involved. That do appear to like the Grateful Dead or at least those two who are pioneering the Hemp movement. We will. Now we've got everybody and I love it. We've never heard of the Grateful Dead. Never would want to hear a song. But the folks who are really been part of the pioneering the movement to have some connection more often than not with this incredible band. What do you think about that?
Larry Mishkin: [00:06:40] Well, I think that you've really hit on something. And what it really does and I always careful when I say this because it exposes what probably a lot of people think are really the dirty little secret. If you ask, you know, your average person out on the street to describe the Deadheads, I've heard generally and as nice as can be described as the great unwashed masses, which of course is from the desert. When I tour for two weeks, usually sleeping in their cars straight and by the end of the tour it can get interesting. But what people fail to truly recognize and realize is that if you were to go and grab any 30 or 40 Deadheads out of any basic concert, you'd stumble across doctors, lawyers, judges, people from all walks of life. The people who go to dead shows are people who do have a tendency to be in a position where they can get involved in where they can make a difference. And I like to think that that's what's indicative of a person who you really want to read, a person you start talking about their music and interests to see what they like this mercilessly. The Grateful Dead. That's always a good sign for me because it suggests to me that they have a real sense of community. Right. That's what you really get from all of this. And for a lot of us, I can certainly speak for myself. That was the magic of the parking lot was supposed to walking across the diag was the center of campus, you know, wherever you are. There is, you know, a million people going in a million different directions. And it was always fun and wonderful to be out there.
Larry Mishkin: [00:08:01] But everybody always kind of seemed, you know, they have their own agenda and doing their own thing. You walk into a judge, show everybody's on the same page. You know, no matter what else is going on in their life at that particular moment, for those two or three hours, everyone has the same singular focus. And so it's an opportunity, I think, you know, to be part of a community and to get, you know, an almost spiritual feeling that a lot of people want to you to church for. In that respect, it's the same type of community, I think, in the same type of giving spirit. And certainly echo your statements, Joy. You know, I saw the devil run 110 times and we would always make a point of getting there with enough time to spend a little while in the parking lot. Dena. both before and after the show, because that's where you met the most interesting people. And that's where you learned the most interesting things. Some of them, quite frankly, were a little bit out there and, you know, probably more a product of what the person had digested that day than anything else. But there were also a lot of people out there that really had very good and interesting things to say. I was the second or third show. I was excited. I had purchased a hand-drawn picture of Jerry Garcia from some guy and six dollars and I got a $5 bill and he said, fine, give me the $5. Here's the picture. And I saw him at another show about a month later. You know, we were talking I walked up to I said, oh, by the way, here you go.
Larry Mishkin: [00:09:11] Here's that extra dollar IOU. You know, he was like, oh, cool, man. I wasn't worried. You know, it it occurred to me this is just kind of a community where you could be dealing with anybody and they all treat you like family a treat you the same. It's a good environment. It's very fertile ground for these types of ideas to be passed along. And certainly there's a long and strong connection between Grateful Dead and Marijuana and Cannabis as well. And I think that that's no coincidence. Jerry has openly talked about the importance that Cannabis played in their community, certainly for me. It was really kind of a unique coming together. I grew up in a neighborhood and St. Lewis where not a lot of my friends smoke marijuana. In fact, I didn't really know anybody that did while I was in high school. My house wasn't really an option. And then I went off to college, the University of Michigan. And lo and behold, there were people getting high and listening to the Grateful Dead. So the combination to kind of hit me there. And when I finally went to my first concert in the summer of 1982 in Ventura County on the beach. What really struck me almost from the very beginning of the show was this sense that the music and I would like to always think particularly Jerry's guitar. But the music was touching and activating the same part of my brain that the marijuana is it. And it created a very nice overlay for me where the two went together as good as can be.
Larry Mishkin: [00:10:28] And it was all very natural to be there and be involved in that community and be listening to their music. And given the time and the money and the opportunity, I would just. Shouldn't be spending any evening in the parking lot. There a dead shodan. Pretty much anything else.
Joy Beckerman: [00:10:41] I like it.
Joy Beckerman: [00:10:42] I love it. OK, go ahead, Jim, please.
Jim Marty: [00:10:44] Oh, the Grateful Dead played a large part in influencing me to sign Cannabis tax returns because in years two thousand nine, when the memos came out from the Obama administration that they wouldn't interfere with state compliant marijuana businesses, they all needed an account. They all needed some of their taxes. I was one of the very few in Colorado who said I would do it. All these Grateful Dead shows. How could I say no to these people?
Joy Beckerman: [00:11:11] Wow. And it's just so amazing to really understand that that inspiration, that tribal community.
Joy Beckerman: [00:11:20] And, Larry, that's really what you're describing. You're describing the tribe. And that's the way it. Absolutely. Me being on that tour. It was a tribe. And and we would now I get to see all the same people from Hemp conferences. And I even actually very recently have said, man, I used to get to hang out and do great work and have fun with everybody based on music and the Grateful Dead.
Joy Beckerman: [00:11:41] And now I get to see everybody and travel around and do great work with everybody based on Hemp and. But it is the grace of God that propels us all forward.
Joy Beckerman: [00:11:51] And Jim, we're talking about chopping the wedding, carrying the water for building the infrastructure to liberate the world's most versatile, valuable plant that meets every need of humanity and every living being.
Jim Marty: [00:12:03] And you sat there and you chop the wood and you carried the water because of that inspiration and that inclination. You said this is happening on a framework is coming and I'm going to be part of this infrastructure and you are part of birthing that and empowering that, using your credentials, using your education, using the license to really move it forward.
Joy Beckerman: [00:12:24] And it's just so amazing. And Larry, I just wanted to quickly follow up on a couple of things. When you said, you know, you take a group of 30 Deadheads and you're gonna come up with a judge of the lawyer, a doctor or a government official, a school teacher.
Joy Beckerman: [00:12:37] You know what? I remember one of my favorite bumper stickers from Grateful Dead Toilet. I'm sure you remember them. And it said From Good Homes and it like had some departed here from good homes.
Larry Mishkin: [00:12:49] Yes, it was. Yeah.
Joy Beckerman: [00:12:51] We may not have showered for three days in the sunshine because we were camping and listening to music, but from a good home. So, hey, I mean, I remember the Clinton inauguration. I marched right over to the Clinton inauguration in Washington, D.C., because Al Gore is a Deadhead. And Bob, where the lights were playing on the mall for the inauguration. It was a big deal. And I went with several Deadheads.
Larry Mishkin: [00:13:13] They did play at the Obama inauguration. They were invited guests of the Obama. I had friends who were actually saw them play wherever, you know, they did their inauguration, a late show, but they were all there dressed out in tuxedos and everything. And Bill Bailey said that was it. Too bad the jury was still around to see him in a tuxedo. What is it to say?
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Joy Beckerman: [00:14:51] Talk a lot about marijuana and other substances that are already experiencing third phase clinical trials. I did the entire course where I didn't actually see very many shows at all. That was it. And I would have loved to have gotten into the show. And but I literally just wanted to be a part of the circus of the traveling community. My life was on that parking lot before the show. During the show. After the show, she cried. It really inspired me. You know, the Grateful Dead is such a proponent for expanded human consciousness. They are also incredible proponents for planetary healing songs about it. Absolutely. Making sure that groups such as Greenpeace and others had a spot and a presence at shows and so on and so forth. Just really empowering educational experience that has offered the course of my life is in many ways created. Who joined to.
Larry Mishkin: [00:15:50] I love what you're saying. And you're right. That is the environment that they create as the the petri dish, if you will, the launching ground for so many things. Course, the dead famously really kind of came together as the house band for 10 cheese's acid tests back in the late 1960s. They helped usher in the whole era of psychedelic and all that. It's only now is the medical community beginning to catch up to that. And you're right, right out in Denver. And Jim can speak to this, although they just did it in Illinois, too. That suicide bill has been decriminalized. It's not legal yet. It's still against the law, but it's got a low level priority. Enforcement people who are recognizing that there is some benefit potentially, at least in these types of things. And you think about, you know, jeez, 35, 40, almost 50 years ago now, the Grateful Dead were helping host events that were, you know, really just bringing this to life and giving people an opportunity to see what it was, an experiment at a time when there were not many other places where people could just go to do that kind of thing. That's to me what's always been great living here in Colorado.
Jim Marty: [00:16:53] We're not quite sure what the psilocybin thing needs to anyone, but a few observations are it's not the state of Colorado is just the city and county of Denver. The pastor at Red Rocks is a city and county of Denver Park. So does that mean psilocybin is legal at Red Rocks? I don't know. I think what it really means is small amounts in your possession for personal use is no longer a priority for the police. So that's good news for people who like to experiment with psychedelic drugs. You know, one of the first times Larry and I got together was that fairly well in Chicago. And we've really, really enjoyed those shows. Great shows. Julie, it sounds like you made it to the California version of fairly well.
Joy Beckerman: [00:17:35] Yes, there I did. San Francisco. Boy, did I want to get the soldier field of the dates didn't work.
Larry Mishkin: [00:17:41] I desperately wanted to be in California. So shows because, of course, the first dates of fairly well in California was the date that they came out. They played I was there, you know, late 60s psychedelic tunes that was there, you know, throwback, knighted by the time they got to Chicago. Those tunes had been played and they weren't recycled about. That was the show that I was sitting around waiting to hear, talking about the dead and all their psychedelic stuff. That was always my favorite era was late 1960s. Ex-boxer Danceable decided that the live shows that they released from the Fillmore West and I could sit listen that stuff all night. It's just tremendous.
Joy Beckerman: [00:18:16] Please. That girl there sweating along. Oh, man. Would. Rather that was often ended by my when I was able to vote with my my husband at the time to fare thee well. And also one of the pioneers of the Hemp movement and actually has any candidate in that's done work.
Joy Beckerman: [00:18:33] Actor who, by the way, you go to Cannabis Museum, dot com is but one of the world's largest collections of artifacts. And we published an entire book. I was very honored to be able to edit and help produce that book. Cannabis Museum compendium. It's been absolutely prolific. All forms of Cannabis. They also form the Ohio Hemp only way back in the early 90s and brought in the first bolt of fabric that we started making the first Hemp close here in the United States, creating them ourselves. We brought in the first shipment of generalized Kempsey from Inner Mongolia and bought a table top seed press and sat there and press the first post prohibition Hemp seed oil from these Mongolian sterilized Tennesee. I had the Hemp first test on the set in New York in Wittstock in the early 90s, and none of us would have had his story if it wasn't for the Ohio Henneberry and stuffing ourselves on the front. So it was so great to be there with him. But I also wanted to ask both of you, gentlemen, and just a very quick story, but have either of you heard or know of the book The Emperor Wears No Clothes?
Jim Marty: [00:19:42] Yes. You went? Yes. Window one.
Joy Beckerman: [00:19:45] Yes,you have. Now I know what I am going to be getting. For Christmas. And I'm so excited. You will be so delighted to read it, but no one is going back to the Grateful Dead and the way they expected this movement among so many.
Joy Beckerman: [00:20:05] Like I said, I chose to have two children at home, natural childbirth because of what I learned on the Grateful Dead parking lot. And side note, I did that in the state of New York at a time when even planning a home birth was unlawful. By the way, the practice of midwifery was also unlawful. When I had my children, Phoenix Rising and Spyro walking and balance in upstate New York on the floor at home with illegal midwives, that has since been changed. Thank God. But that was an issue there. And that's something I learned on that day for the parking lot and fire walking and balance, by the way, was born on 4/20 in 1994 and many a Deadhead Joy asked where that boy's going to pop out on 4/20 and he absolutely does not address this.
Joy Beckerman: [00:20:48] This book, Emperor Wears No Clothes and the rest of my favorite. And we discussed in our previous conversations. But the point is, Jack New and Chris Conrad knew in creating this book with all of the documents, information on the reissue of the information as to the rich history of Hemp in the United States and beyond, and all of the attributes of Hemp that had been hidden from us for so long, they knew getting that information out to the Grateful Dead tourist would be like propagating seed. You put it into one show, there's going to be 50000 people there and that to show travels and travels around to all of these different cities and towns.
Joy Beckerman: [00:21:28] And that information literally propagated like a crop. It propagated and it created people like me and people like Larry. And that's powerful, powerful stuff. Any other observation in terms of the connection between the Grateful Dead and any form of the Cannabis movement that would explain either of you gentlemen?
Jim Marty: [00:21:51] Well, certainly, I think they were one of the starters of it before the Grateful Dead. Hardly anybody smoke Cannabis, maybe a few beatniks in Greenwich Village, but it was the Grateful Dead who made it really part of their shows. Tolu, you know, a Grateful Dead concert. There was always joints being passed around. I think you had a lot to do with, you know, the common usage of marijuana that started in the 60s and 70s. And by the time we got to college in the evening in the dorms, you know, the smell of marijuana was in the hallways of the dorms. Then I think they were very much a part of getting the whole thing started.
Joy Beckerman: [00:22:25] I remember in 2016 l, I'd made twenty ninth. I put this all over Facebook. So I'm looking at a poster right now, Grateful Dead. It says, Aid The End of Marijuana Prohibition. A benefit bar. Grateful Dead with Big Brother and the Holding Company at the California Hall. May 29 Knight 1960 1964 sunset.
Joy Beckerman: [00:22:48] When I put that post up and I said it's been 50 years since the first benefit to aid the end of marijuana prohibition. And keep in mind that it was the 1970s controlled substances that hadn't even been created yet. They were dealing with the prohibition from the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act, which merely taxed and regulated all forms of Cannabis out of out of existence really soak in that code. They said that the Grateful Dead, it had only been twenty nine years of the marijuana tax, that they already weren't having it. By 1966, the Grateful Dead were like, No, we're not having this.
Larry Mishkin: [00:23:28] Here's what they've done. They've created a safe space in jargons. Safe spaces are all the rage, but they were doing it years ago before anybody knew what to call it. Right. But this is the matter, no matter where you lived. No matter what type of repressive environment you were growing up in. If you could make it to a dead show and get inside, you had free reign. It's still that way. And by creating an environment where, you know, not only was it comfortable for people, but very much part of the norm.
Larry Mishkin: [00:23:51] I think it gave a lot of people an opportunity to kind of step over that bridge. You might not otherwise have done it like that. And that's the thing they always liked about it. When I took my oldest son, who's now 28, back when he was in high school, so probably 14 or 15, we went to see different companies and they were playing out here at the Rose Maturation, which was out by the airport in Chicago with the dad always used to like to play. That's the greatest play in the world, to see them sound wise and always kind of got a reputation of capture a little bit rougher than they needed to be. That's where the show was. We went out there as we walked in. Predictably, there was a ring of cops all around the building and you had to walk through the line of cops to get into the building and go through the security. We went in and you sat down in your seats. There were cars visible everywhere. Then the lights turned out. Everybody in the police lit up and they said turned to me and was just absolutely amazed and said, I don't get it. There's all these police officers here. How is this happening? And I said, you know, certainly when you step into a grateful that show, you're in a another. Forgotten space. Why are you.
Larry Mishkin: [00:24:53] You do what you do. But just remember that when the show is over, though, the magic bubble goes away. If you go traipsing outside because that's what they're waiting for and then you'll have a problem in here. All good out there. Not so much.
Joy Beckerman: [00:25:06] Every hair standing on end, as you see. Because those moments are so sacred and so special. And in fact, Mr. Chicago, I remember those your field shows back in the 90s. Cause we we basically all were they were just baby sitting us. I mean, they're used to. Alcohol. Alcohol. Alcohol. Well, there's the stadium, a game, a rock n roll contest.
Larry Mishkin: [00:25:28] Oh, yeah.
Joy Beckerman: [00:25:28] Fighting conflict, violence and alcohol. And when they got the Grateful Dead, they would just baby sitting us and see em back in. You probably remember back in the early forties field days, they let us tap even into the 90s. They still let us have fires in the parking lot. And I would tell you, policemen joining in the drum circles with us, playing bongos and Congress around fires with us.
Joy Beckerman: [00:25:54] Where did that happen?
Joy Beckerman: [00:25:56] And I remember in Madison Square one time, I struck up a conversation with a policeman. Again, we're talking while Jerry was still alive and still back in the 90s. And I remember him saying something to me like, you don't think we don't actually know what's going on in those parking garages, do you? We do. We just making sure that you're safe.
Joy Beckerman: [00:26:15] So does any Nunnally activity going on? No. I think garages. But they wanted to make sure we were safe.
Larry Mishkin: [00:26:23] Yeah. We had a New York City cop in Madison Square Garden who got high with us. He kept tormenting the whole show and we kept saying, no, no, this is too strange. And finally on the show, he walked over. He said, that goes, you know, we like the Grateful Dead to just because we have cop uniforms on. He reached over, grab the pipe. He took a hit.
Jim Marty: [00:26:38] We all said, well, OK, speaking of those special moments, the magic moments, always remember a buddy of mine, 1990. And on the way home he goes, you know, there was moments there where the band and the audience and the music were on the same page. We were all just writing it together. And yes, there were certainly those special moments didn't happen every show. Some shows are better than others. And, you know, you've got one night and you just leave walking three feet off the ground. It was such a wonderful experience. You come back the next night, it would seem like they play every slow song.
Larry Mishkin: [00:27:12] They knew that that's what we were doing. Right. We were chasing that moment because we knew once you saw one of those shows, you were booked and you'd go to see every show and God forbid you missed your show. And that was the night, you know, where they hit on all cylinders. Ray was always kind of chasing that last good buzz with dumb looking for cause. You're right, Jim, on a night where they were operating on all cylinders and the crowd was right there with him, it's magic. There's nothing I've experienced like it anywhere else.
Joy Beckerman: [00:27:38] Yeah. Even if I could make an attempt at trying to explain through some layman's terms of metaphysics what that magic is, that magic moment that you're talking about, it could be visually displayed.
Joy Beckerman: [00:27:52] I think almost as a fractal that is partly transparent and partly not because we're talking about the energy, the vibration that gets created by the music and the instruments and the people that literally up with the vibration to such an extent that we're in a new in-between world and not a physical world, not a completely spiritual world, we're all here. But as the incredible artist Alice Gray would say, a cosmic plasma that would manifest itself. And in that cosmic plasma, that's where the magic was born and miracles occurred. And amazing things were manifest in the physical world during that cosmic plasma. And that's what we I think are how we shooting for that spot right there.
Jim Marty: [00:28:47] Yeah. Yeah..
Joy Beckerman: [00:28:49] And that's the empowering piece of that tribal community. I'm onto something here. I'm not crazy. I'm on to something here. Other people feel it. See it? No, it think it, too. And all of that empowerment and all of that tribal community is what brought me to a place of comfort and bravery and end of a thought that way as courageous or brave or probably people would just say, you know, you're crazy. But no, I must not be crazy because I just came from a concert with fifty thousand people.
Joy Beckerman: [00:29:17] Then I guess they're all crazy to have this great, great stuff for all of the work that you do in LA. Larry Mishkin. And the way that you empower people, you just so grateful for it and so grateful for the contributions he made to your community through your work. Jim I really can't say enough. I wouldn't be able to sit there and have them in contact and caring for people when to eighty and just being able to get a professional service provider to even look at you, give you the time of day, much less data with. C-8 their license with your tax return. That was great. That was courageous. Thank you so much for being a part of building that infrastructure. I'm so glad that was quite a healthy little practice now.
Jim Marty: [00:30:01] Yeah, well, we're actually a national firm now is acquired a couple of years ago.
Joy Beckerman: [00:30:06] So Reg West really is a bridge, no doubt about it. And Larry Hoban law. group. I mean, I don't know if it gets more heroic of a law firm, but all forms with Cannabis empowering but not disturbing client. As you well know. I've often said I don't actually know how Bob can afford it. He is hopefully doing really well because the amount of pro bono time that he lets loose, basically volunteering armies of lawyers and deploying these lawyers to do non billable work that advances the interest of all forms of Cannabis, whether it's the banking, regulatory flu, vaccine testing, regulations, insurance. It is just some of the most important work in the world. And Larry, thank you so much for being a part of it.
Larry Mishkin: [00:30:52] Rather well, I really appreciate that. I really do. Hoban law. Group is a special place. I practice at a large firm in Chicago for almost 10 years and that I was out on my own for almost another 20 than a short to anybody who would listen that I would never have anything to do with a law firm again. And then I met up. We met and I loved because we could talk marijuana. We could certainly talk to Rachel dad. He talks like nobody's business and we really hit it off. You know, he explained this concept of national coverage that he was doing. But the thing that really drove the point home to me was the first time we had a firm wide meeting. And I came home and announced to my wife that I had never been in a group of lawyers that large before without being able to identify the asshole. And so that for me, was a very, very positive thing. And to see that these are the atmosphere and the attitude that all these people bring to the table in the face that they're willing to fight. And it just seemed like if you want to be a lawyer and if you want to help fight this fight against society, that's put really restrictions on Cannabis. This is the place to be. And it's been a fun experience every minute of it.
Joy Beckerman: [00:31:53] It's so fantastic. Wow. I can't wait to meet both of you gentlemen in person. And. I think it's going to be sooner rather than later for you and I. Because I'm part owner and senior adviser to Colorado. Hemp was that post television green Hemp brain processing facility right there in Longmont. So I'll be reaching out to you. And Larry, I can't wait to meet you in person, but I hope we get to do this again. I'm so grateful. I have to keep saying that word because I am. But no pun intended. And also every every pun intended. I'm so grateful for your participation in the show.
Larry Mishkin: [00:32:28] I agree. And I think we would be remiss if we didn't give a special thank you and shout out to our producer Dan Humiston, who was really the link that brought all of us together and made the introduction and has been wonderful for me to work with over the years. And I really appreciate that. And this is just another great connection that somebody makes. So thank you dance.
Jim Marty: [00:32:47] Yes, I agree. Thank you very much, Dan.. Great job.
Joy Beckerman: [00:32:50] Talk about stopping the wedding, carrying the water and building infrastructure. Dan is the epitome of a lightning rod for that. Bravo. Here, here, up. Erm. Thank you. Born again, an English gentleman again. Thank you for all the work that you do. Thank you for caring the ports and the spirit through the work that you do and in your communities. And I'll be looking forward to our next encounter.
Joy Beckerman: [00:33:11] Fare thee well. Very well indeed. Say you so much.
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