Bob Escher from Escher Design Inc is the president of US Hemp Building Association. He talks with Joy Beckerman about HempCrete; the renewable, recyclable and sustainable building material which could help save the planet. His associations is working to make HempCrete the preferred green construction alternative. Produced by PodCONX https://podconx.com/guests/bob-escher
Bob Escher from Escher Design Inc is the president of US Hemp Building Association. He talks with Joy Beckerman about HempCrete; the renewable, recyclable and sustainable building material which could help save the planet. His associations is working to make HempCrete the preferred green construction alternative.
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Dan Humiston: [00:00:07] Welcome to another episode of Hemp Barons, I'm Dan Humiston.
Dan Humiston: [00:00:11] And on today's show, join our guest. Take an in-depth journey into Hemp Creek. They talk about the overwhelming benefits of this sustainable, renewable, reusable construction material and the impact it's having on the world. Let's join Joy's conversation with the president of the U.S. Hemp Building Association, architect Bob Esher from Esher Design.
Joy Beckerman: [00:00:39] Well, hello, Bob. Thank you so much for joining us on Hemp Barons today, Joy.
Bob Escher: [00:00:43] It's a pleasure. Anytime. Please look forward to speaking with you.
Joy Beckerman: [00:00:47] I get to interview a whole lot of heroes on this show. And I just want you to know either that you are such a hero because we're talking about Hemp Creek now, Hemp Crete with S.R. Design and Hemp Hollo and the U.S. Building Association, of which you are the president, is a bold right fire and pest resistant construction in bill that creates the optimal indoor air quality.
Joy Beckerman: [00:01:14] And I hope you'll elaborate on this with a with a wall of about six to 12 inches or even 18 inches, I suppose, in certain climates, depending on how close you are to a pole over the equator with very good windows, but with no heating or cooling system can create will allow a home to stay at an interior ambient temperature of about 60 degrees Fahrenheit throughout the year in conjunction with the fact that over 50 percent of our annual landfill waste is from construction waste for toxic off gassing, inferior temporary materials that we are had begun to use as a society to create structures. So here you come in as the hero saying I'm going to take on Hemp Creek and I'm going to find a way to not only improve construction, heal the planet, but also use that incredibly valuable stock of the world's most versatile, valuable plant, Hemp crop. Bob Esher What turned you on to the Hemp plant? As a licensed architect since nineteen eighty eight in Vermont.
Bob Escher: [00:02:24] Well, Joy, number one, I'm hardly a hero. But I appreciate the statements that you went through on that. I'm looking at myself as strictly a messenger. And that said, the way we started was about four years ago when my son Alex, who's my partner in all this, came to me and said that, have you ever thought of bringing Hemp into your practice as a building material? I just said, you know what? Are you kidding? You know, I do luxury homes. I do second homes. I do libraries, country clubs. You know, this was Hemp. Crete was not on my list, but really pushed me on it. And I said, OK, let's go. So the short and long of it is we went out to Colorado in the spring of 2017 to noko and we met Kelly Thorton, who is lefthand Hemp. And he does classes teaching people how to build with Hemp. And at the same time, Kelly knew Eric McKee, who was looking to build a small building on his property in Denver and actually was hoping that an architect could be Moslem. So the three of us got together and it was just destiny that we did it. What ended up happening is we went through the motions of designing a small 16 by 20 person being born. And because this was in Denver in the suburbs, we had to go through the zoning. We went down to the city zoning office. When we went to the lady who was assigned us said, OK, this is just a small barn uninhabitable.
Bob Escher: [00:04:00] It's gonna be sort of a workshop in the backyard of a guy's house in Denver in the suburbs. And it's going to be built out of Hemp Creek. And she goes, OK, well, what's happened? Creek is a typical thing and so forth. We knew this was gonna happen. So Eric and I explained it and she got really, really excited about it, but totally conceded that she knew nothing about it. So the way we presented it was that cities like Denver and even towns like Dorset here in Vermont, you know, they all have goals to meet a sustainability in 2025 or 2030 or 2020 or whatever. And so that was our presentation that this material, even on a small workshop, is, as you mentioned, it's you know, it's more proof, it's bug proof, it's carbon negative, it's fire resistant. The more we spoke about it, she realized she was overhead but wanted to learn more. But she bumped this upstairs. And so all of a sudden we were with the head zoning people. And it was actually fabulous. They worked with us on finding the right zoning. In the end, we ended up building the first permitted Hemp Creek structure in Denver. So when we started the class with Kelly at Eric's property, you know, we had maybe eight people in the class like over that week. We had over 200 show up. And I believe, you know, Eric Eric is Mr. Marketing personality.
Joy Beckerman: [00:05:29] He can he can draw anything out of anybody because he is one of the most passionate people for Hemp creed that I have ever met. And it's that awsat. That draws those folks that end his knowledge base, of course, and understand this was the beginning for all three of us.
Bob Escher: [00:05:43] I mean, what actually, Kel, he's been doing it for a while. But for Eric and I, we were novices and Alex included. We ended up having over 200 people come from there. It just snowballed. You know, we were part of the next year's noko bus tour.
Joy Beckerman: [00:05:57] The following year, you know, you're noko being the northern Colorado Hemp Expo by More Siegle every year in late March. And that's a big deal. That was the biggest Hemp trade expo that there is in the history of Hemp thus far.
Bob Escher: [00:06:12] Exactly. And then the following year, we were sort of speakers on the side. And then last year we were on all three of us were speakers. And then this year, I think I got to moderate that panel. Exactly. And of course, we did Albany with you and a couple of other places. But we've got a major announcement coming up next year for no go that I really can't get into that right now. But the U.S., HBK and noko are teaming together on some really, really cool and good things. So I'm thrilled to hear that.
Joy Beckerman: [00:06:42] And folks, the US HBA is the US Hemp Building Association, which we are so thrilled has formed. And when I say we are speaking on behalf of a multitude of organizations, my own Hemp based international certainly Hemp Technologies, which built the first permitted Hemp Creek home in the United States and which I have been so honored to do the training for for many years. Unfortunately, my additional roles have taken me away from that and the Hemp Industry Association. And we're just looking into I know that you as the building association, the site has now gone live. And at our next board meeting, I as president of the board of the HIPAA and presenting to the board, may I want permission to either be a non-profit or a founding influencer or member of the US Building Association. Just your architecture business is a high and business. You create a design, beautiful buildings. And the fact that you with all of that talent and skill and grace and diplomacy and professionalism as well as your leadership skills. Bob, the fact that you are also wanting to take on it, it's everything. Take it from a gal who read three trade associations when one advocacy organization and state chapter, all four volunteer pro-bono unpaid work. It's everything. It's how we chop the wood and carry the water. And after 30 years in this movement, we've now legalized Hemp. So this fact that you are willing and wanting authentically to donate your services and the skills and talent that you have garnered throughout your life and throughout your career to educate and deliver this incredible building material which will change the world.
Joy Beckerman: [00:08:36] It not only is going to change the way people live. The air quality of their home, the longevity of their home. And I want to talk about that in a minute. But it is also, again, delivering a first market for for Hemp, because we're not talking about a tremendous amount of processing here. We're talking about de caucasion separating that outer bark, that vast fiber of the stock like either woody core, which we call the herd, and then simply taking that herd and processing it to specification for Hemp Creek, which is not that difficult. It's a particular moisture content. It is a particular geometric particle range for the size as what size of the herd, and it's eliminating the majority of the basket of the chaff. So this is not difficult stuff. It gives us our Hemp farmers a first market and with with a 2, 4, 3, 4 gift that keeps on giving in terms of what it's doing for homeowners, for commercial building owners and for the planet throughout the life of the building. Let's talk for a little bit for a minute now about what Hemp Street actually is. Could you explain to the listeners about Hemp Crete and about its durability?
Bob Escher: [00:09:50] That's easy right now. When I'm designing a house, it's all with conventional materials. It's 2 by 6 walls. It's tie that gets wood siding and sheet rockets, concrete foam. Do it up here. So you let it all. The whole push toward the green industry has been absolutely wonderful. But as an architect, I get bombarded with all these the latest green materials. This is the best. You know, this is going to replace this is going to save the earth. The nutshell of it is that young a lot of it is great, but a lot of it still is petroleum based. A lot of it is untested. And a lot of it is I don't believe is really as green as it's sensitive. And worst of all, the government agencies, energy. Efficiency and things like that are changing a lot of the rules that force us as architects, engineers and builders to take on these new products and set new goals for energy efficiency, which is absolutely great, but it ends up costing the owner thousands of dollars more in order to build it. So where's the savings? I'm not saying it's wrong, but you're gonna be saving ten thousand dollars in energy costs over a 20 year period. But you're also having to build this house with an additional twenty five thousand dollars or $10000 of $15000 with those extras. So that really bugs me. But, you know, I'm forced to have to do that sort of stuff. Brian Hemp Praet came along. It's a plant and it's so simple. But the issue was that we couldn't grow Hemp here in the United States until the farm bill came through. And at that point, it was a pilot study.
Bob Escher: [00:11:33] And then when it was finally legalized to grow hemp in the United States and the farm bill exactly a year ago, that's when the doors are open. But the problem is still going to be the supply. You know, we just went through the first harvest and there were ups and downs for sure. But we can do it now. We can transport it across state lines. We can get seeds. We can do all these things. But it's a growing industry. It's starting that. A lot of growing pains. That said, now that we can do that, instead of trying to find a way to build conventionally with all these green materials that are forced upon us, I saw Hemp creed as a monolithic wall that can do practically everything. Please understand it's still in the works. We're learning as well as everyone else in the building industry. We also have the presence of everything that's been going on in Europe, Australia, the Orient. You know, for years, decades they've been able to do this. When I saw it, it was an opportunity to build something that had less materials, a monolithic wall where it's just one piece you had to study interior and then it could be eight to 12 to 18 inches thick depending on what the architecture is and requirements. But there were no joints. And anytime there's a joint or a different material that comes together, it's an opportunity for Aaron for oration or water leakage that really intrigued me. But at the same time, Joy, in my early days starting this journey and once, you know, our name got out a little bit, I was getting calls from people that had built that there were problems and issues they were having or questions.
Bob Escher: [00:13:15] And I realised we were all learning. And here in a number of cases, there were some issues that I was being called in as a repair. That's when I stepped back and said, I've got to stay small and I've got to get the message out that we have to learn how to use this because it's not just building a wall in the Hemp treehouse made a Hemp create. The Hemp created reality of a house is maybe 30, 35 percent of it. There's still concrete, foundations are still excavation, there's still windows and doors and flashing and roofing and appliances and fireplaces and masonry and tile and the Hemp Creek parts just to a section of the house. So we have to learn how to integrate that into a building and we have to do it right. And so my message has been, let's build small, let's stay in the realm of outbuildings and barns and structures like that to learn because the certifications are in the works, you know, where we can actually have Hemp create as a certified building materials that I know what the R rating is or what the insulation values are. So that's three to five years from now. So why not get the contractors and architects and engineers and interior designers and plumbers and masons? Why not organise a group that will have an opportunity to learn together? Let's take this three to five years for all of us to experiment on small buildings. OK, we can make mistakes, but it's on a garage or it's on a barn. My mission is like safety, period, which is wonderful.
Joy Beckerman: [00:14:50] I what I want to make sure I'm here also. And of course, I've been in an increase for a number of years now and on an international level. So I want to also make sure the listeners know that when Bob is saying we I think he's talking about folks. I know he's talking about folks in America. There have been commercial building Barkin's Thenthere's Department store in the UK. Similarly, we've done with Hemp Creed. This is a huge nobody had to learn or start small, you know, in other parts of the world. Again, there is quite a bit of sophistication around this. And then even the Triangle apartment units, which is a 40 unit, you know, apartment development some years ago, which is great to YouTube if you want to get on YouTube.com listeners and type in. Triangle Hemp Creek apartment.
Joy Beckerman: [00:15:39] What a fantastic video. You'll get about that commercial process as well. So, yes, we certainly do need to learn and brush up here. This is why I think among the many reasons why I absolutely consider you to be a hero, Bob. Is your dedication to education and organizing. And that's exactly what the U.S. Hemp Building Association is doing. The mission of that of that association. I just am so thrilled with it, of course, without leadership, like you and Erik and others on your board. Clearly, you're the chairman of the board. We can't move it forward. So let me ask now a couple of specific questions. You and I know a lot about history, but we haven't shared a lot of that with the listeners right now. So I'm going to ask some questions. And as we wrap up here, we could sort of answer that briefly just so that I can get through some of the main points here. We can make the Hemp Crete, which, by the way, Hemp Crete, folks is made with water, a particular type of lime, not your basic agricultural lime, and be heard of the Hemp plant, that inner woody core.
Joy Beckerman: [00:16:45] So we're talking three ingredients. You'd only need to add something else if you were in a certain climate, which would make it so that, you know, you could continue to do to work with the product a little longer. But in every climate that I have worked in, it is water, a specific type of lime and the hurt. Those are the three ingredients. And in general, for one, one for part third to one part water to one part of this line. And we could mix that onsite antacid, intemperate and very pure. And depending on the climate and the sea, it of course, it depends on how long it will take to cure or we can do prefab panels. And that's exactly what Marks and Spencer did and what most commercial properties are going to probably want to do because they're not going to want to wait for the curing time. So, Bob, can you explain to us a little bit about the place of prefab and maybe where we're at in terms of investment opportunities and infrastructure here in the United States for prefab Hemp FRIEDWALD pieces?
Bob Escher: [00:17:50] I believe the only way to Hemp can be a marketable building product as a wall system will be as a prefab panel or in blocks. But I want to be clear, there's absolutely nothing wrong with the way that people are building now with, as I called, the bucket brigade in a loving way. You know where you made it, you put it in a bucket and then you form the walls. And it's absolutely perfect way to do it, but it's incredibly time consuming. You can't guarantee the mixers exactly the same as if the walls get built. That is what the founders of this Hemp create building industry of the world. Did you know that's that's how they've always done it. But it's got to come out of that sort of cottage industry and into the mainstream. So there are a number of companies that are working toward the panels and blocks. And I think that you're going to see that coming out pretty soon. You know, just bio fiber up in Canada has these incredible Lego style blocks that are being introduced down here. And I know that some of the buildings you mentioned in Europe, those commercial buildings, they use panels also. It's going to be like a modular home system.
Joy Beckerman: [00:19:04] I think indeed. and I had, you know, the great pleasure and privilege of touring Done Agro in Holland very well as ISO Hemp in Belgium. Albert Dun Dun Agro creates these prefab and it's amazing to see them. I mean, they're sitting there curing with the doors cut out of the panel and the windows cut out of the panel. And I've been able to tour a home with these prefab. It's been interesting because those people that panel seem to be maybe four to six inches thick. And I know certainly in Vermont, New York, where you would I live, we're going to want to see 12/8. So I think that's going to be interesting to see. And of course, the ISO Hemp company in Belgium does the block. And we're seeing, of course, candidate coming on, too. But but I agree. I love that the bucket brigade, as you say, it's it's a barn raising almost like, you know, like it's wonderful. And it gets everyone involved at. And if you're on a budget, it's a great way to do it and obviously a great way to educate. But absolutely, the commercial folks and folks who weren't so interested in they burned raising and community experience are going to want that big brother.
Joy Beckerman: [00:20:15] That's all there is to it.
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Joy Beckerman: [00:21:40] Most people think when they hear the word Hemp Creek, it has this connotation that it's a substitute for concrete.
Joy Beckerman: [00:21:47] And while absolutely I don't want folks to think that we can't use Hemp for concrete, they're using a Hemp word as an additive in concrete all over the place that is different than Hemp Creek, which cannot touch the ground. Otherwise it will not remain mold and rot resistant.
Joy Beckerman: [00:22:03] It's an actual daylight living, breathing wall system. So you would still if you're gonna have a foundation. Anything that touches the ground would still be concrete.
Joy Beckerman: [00:22:13] And you probably get this question a lot, but because I certainly know that I do and that is oh Hemp create.
Joy Beckerman: [00:22:18] I'd like to make a driveway out of it. For some reason people immediately think driveway and then we have to say, no, no, go. It's not for to touch the ground.
Joy Beckerman: [00:22:27] So can you explain to us why it is that Hemp Creek is a reasonable wall system?
Bob Escher: [00:22:35] The secret is in the batter. I guess that's the best way to put it. The way the line integrates with see the Hemp heard in the water. It creates this wall system that will absorb the cockpit in the air. It will control the moisture content in the air between what happens in space and the outside. It controls the temperature. It really is a miracle how these materials come together and create this end result that is just perfectly suitable for a living space. Your point on the Hemp Creedon concrete is a concrete. No, it's not. It's a misnomer that the US HSDPA we're discussing now to go on record of what should we call this? And right now the new sort of term that is catching on is Hemp line getting loose.
Joy Beckerman: [00:23:25] I always thought the Hemp installation or Hemp bill and that would really tell you know what it is. Hemp isolation or Hemp ill. I always say if we could go back and redo it, maybe now we know they do.
Joy Beckerman: [00:23:38] And do I want to make sure again to educate the listeners truly on the science of Hemp Creek so that when you say the secret is in the batter, why is this product readable? And for the construction folks out there in the real estate developer folks out there we're talking about. Why is it so vaper permeable? Why is it so high-growth gothic? And the answer is the life cycle of the life cycle starts out as calcium carbonate. That's what limestone is. It an informed read at that point. Then it is heated to a very high degree. And when we talk about carbon footprints, no concrete, Portland cement, so to speak, there needs to be heated to about 3000 degrees. This is a tremendous carbon footprint when we're talking about line for Hemp Creek. We're talking about taking that limestone and heating it only to about 900 degrees. Certainly we have to account for that carbon footprint, but it's only nine hundred degrees. And we ought to remember that the Hemp while it's growing. Of course, it's absorbing tremendous amounts of CO2. So we get to balance out a bit there. And then any that after we finish eating the limestone, we're left with this quicklime calcium oxide. That's what's left behind. Pretty caustic stuff that, you know, don't handle that, although some of these more historic basins work with it, but otherwise normal people do not with normal construction. And then from the calcium oxide, we add water, which is, of course, the flaking process. And then that leaves either a putty or it dries out as to get to a powder. And that's what we are purchasing. A calcium hydroxide is what's left after that flaking process. Again, explaining the lifecycle here.
Joy Beckerman: [00:25:19] But guess what happens once it's calcium hydroxide, you will know it wants to be calcium carbonate again. So it starts to grab carbon molecules from the air, which then helps us again with our carbon footprint. The carbon, which is also what's making the wall, as you say, monolithic as the Hemp and the lime. The wine works to turn back into appropiate calcium carbonate. It begins to fossilize the Hemp petrify it, so to speak, which makes it monolithic while we heated it to 900 degrees. We're pushing all of the CO2 out of the line as this creates a spongy, porous material because it's these. When the gas is being pushed up, it creates these bubbles and it's that porous, spongy leftover that allows the wine to be able to absorb a tremendous amount of water and excrete it back out, along with, of course, too, so that it's not only the humidity regulation, but the thermal regulation. When we talk about our values or in Europe, values with thermal conductivity and thermal capacity of an insulation, those two concepts are very difficult to reconcile. And yet, because thermal conductivity, of course, is the ability for heat or thermal and. She to be transferred through a material. How long does it take for an outside temperature to pass through this insulation and affect the inside temperature? There's that's thermal conductivity. And thermal capacity, of course, is the amount of heat required to arrange a material temperature by a given about it and how it can hold it. Could you explain to listeners, Bob, the difference between the pink stuff, your basic fiberglass insulation in terms of thermal conductivity and capacity in contrast with Hemp Crete?
Bob Escher: [00:27:12] Basically, the fiberglass typical insulation is in the walls. It's basically just creates an air space and it creates a thermal barrier so that, you know, we can get an R rating of 24 hour 21 or 18 or 40. The best way to put it is if you push that insulation too tight, it will not work. So that's why it's sybilla we Bushey typos, insulation that you see with fiberglass or walk a lot of its patrolling in-basin. You know, this foam insulation, which I've used for years, but I'm stopping now the R-rating so you can get with a spray in fomer astronomical. It's wonderful. But there's reasons these guys are wearing hazmat suits. Dangerous. This is what I love about it. That it's so simple and it's cute, but it's gotta be done right. And that's that's where we have to have, you know, a consistent mix of consistent factory made wall or block that has architects and engineers are going to be specifying this material. We know what we're guaranteeing to the client. We know we're going to get a PLA rating of our thirty four 12-inch walls. We know we're going to get a fire rating of two hours with a twelve inch wall. But but I don't have the numbers yet. It's not certified legally by the United States. ASTM and ICC, but it's common ASTM taking on Hemp Crete.
Joy Beckerman: [00:28:37] And that's of course American standard testing and measurements is important because we need four construction folks and construction firms to feel comfortable with it.
Joy Beckerman: [00:28:47] And we need building a training department also to feel comfortable with it. So it's such a huge part of the revolution as we talk and wood and carry the water, these certification and standard folks, which of course the ACA is involved in and certainly you are in and the trade associations and the industry itself and educated, we're all having to work in tandem together.
Joy Beckerman: [00:29:08] And there's still one thing to talk about with Hemp creep up with for one last question. When we talk about longevity and durability, once again, we know that there are structures standing that are hundreds of years old, made from Hemp and Wyrm, a 700 year old building in Japan from Hemp, Crete. And then your cave in India. And of course, there was clay in those walls as well. But Clay and his ad-lib and those walls are some fifteen hundred years old. And where they use this Hemp Praet with the clay on those walls, the beautiful cave paintings are still preserved, whereas other parts of the Al-Thawra caves, these ancient caves which are are carved and there's quite a bit of architecture in those caves that didn't use the Hemp and lime and clay. Unfortunately, rodents and time have really worn away at those pinking. So we have yet to see with modern construction how long these buildings will last.
Joy Beckerman: [00:30:04] I predict they will last hundreds of years, but we would want to mislead anybody. We're learning it. It's the new age, how long that lasts. But let's talk then something we do know about, and that's recyclability and reusability, Bob. Could you speak to the listeners about that in terms of what happens when the life of your harpreet home has ended?
Bob Escher: [00:30:24] The buildings I've been building over the last 30 years, I'm building for the lifetime of the owners and I've been doing it long enough for better or worse. A lot of my newer clients are children of the original owners that are moving on either adding onto the house or building something new. So I'm seeing a multi-generational impact on my practice in that way. I also know that when I'm building a house, I'm putting a roof on that has a warranty of 30 years or 40 years. I know that there's warrantees on the appliances. I know that there's warrantees and time limits on the structural elements of things. How long as one of my houses that I've built conventionally going to last, I I would hope 100 years. And if it comes down to maintenance, plain and simple, you don't paint it. You don't take care of it. It's going to fall apart. As far as Hemp and buildings Hemp create, your examples are perfect. You know, there's things thousands of years old using primitive construction methods. How long will a Hemp create house last? That's still to be seen, obviously, because we're so young in the industry. But if and when a house made a Hemp, it has to be taken down. But the Hemp can just be left buried in the ground because it's still just recycle itself into the ground and not cause any pollution or any issues, even with alignment all through it and the plaster finish on it. It's totally biodegradable. I don't want to think about having to demolish my Hemp greenhouses, but that's the way it would happen. I know that when we do demolish a house now to take an old house down and put a new one up, there's four or five, six dumpsters was a junk that just go to landfill. That's a lot of junk in a lot of petroleum based issues that are going back into the ground in a bad way.
Joy Beckerman: [00:32:18] Indeed. And and I think a soil amendment is considered to be, as you say, just put into the ground. It can also be purposefully gathered about as a soil amendment and even cracked up and put back in. Well, not as a full batch, but a little bit of time added into the new batches of Hemp crate. It can be added into the do Hemp Creek building. And that's what I mean by reusability. It's just fantastic stuff. Amazing. It's just a plant. It's a plant and it's a carbon sequestering up plants. You know, I mean, this is amazing. That has so much planetary healing value as a renewable resource and as a replacement for building materials. And as many listeners are, regular listeners hear me say all the time, human and animal food, nutrition, body care, nutraceuticals, pharmaceuticals, paper, textile, building materials, bio composites, industrial sealants, encoding, nanotechnology, biomedical applications, energy and fuel. Oh, my gosh. Amazing, amazing stuff. And before we get off the line here, Bob, this has been wonderful and I can't thank you enough. We're gonna definitely have you want to get. There are many people out there wanting Hemp Creek services, wanting to build an outbuilding or a new building. And I know you're starting small. There's a lot of folks wanting to start small. How did they get in touch with you? And also, how to folks join the US Hemp Building Association.
Bob Escher: [00:33:48] Well, I suppose the best way to start would be on the Web site. It's US, H-B, a dot org.
Joy Beckerman: [00:33:55] Excellent USHB.org. So, Bob, how can the listeners get in touch with you at effort design and Hemp Hollow if they want to build a Hemp create structure?
Bob Escher: [00:34:05] The best way Joy would be on my web site that addresses W W W Esher Design Inc dot com and there's a whole section in there on Hemp what Alex and I are doing and as a national installer I'll just click the Hemp tab.
Bob Escher: [00:34:23] And they can read all about it.
Joy Beckerman: [00:34:24] And for our listeners, Esher Design Inc is e s c h e r design inc. One more time. Esher is e s c h e r design Inc. But it has been such a pleasure and an honor to have you on today. I can't wait to have you back again. I'm excited to do more work with you. You're doing some of the most important work in the Hemp industry right now. Thank you for all of it. And thank you for being with us today.
Bob Escher: [00:34:51] Oh, joy. Absolutely. And your support has been absolutely the greatest. Thank you so much. And French.
Joy Beckerman: [00:34:57] More to come. Oh, you got it, brother. More to come. Send our best to Alex Hemp Barons. Thank you so much.
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