Beginning his passion for hemp over 20 years ago Jeff Kostuik started researching hemp agronomy and managing verital trials for Manitoba Agriculture. As a Certified Crop Advisor, member of the Manitoba Institute of Agrologists and director of the Canadian Hemp Trade Alliance he is recognized as the foremost hemp genetics authority. He speaks to Joy Beckerman about the exciting advancements being made with Hemp Genetics at Hemp Genetics International. Produced by PodCONX https://podconx.com/guests/jeff-kostuik
Beginning his passion for hemp over 20 years ago Jeff Kostuik started researching hemp agronomy and managing verital trials for Manitoba Agriculture. As a Certified Crop Advisor, member of the Manitoba Institute of Agrologists and director of the Canadian Hemp Trade Alliance he is recognized as the foremost hemp genetics authority. He speaks to Joy Beckerman about the exciting advancements being made with Hemp Genetics at Hemp Genetics International.
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Dan Humiston: [00:00:10] Welcome to another episode of Hemp Barons, I'm Dan Humiston. And on today's show, Joy travels to the north to Canada to talk Hemp genetics with one of the world's leading authorities. They talk about how the genetics have changed and improved over the years. And what we should expect in the future. Let's join Joy's conversation with Jeff Bostwick from Hemp Genetics International.
Joy Beckerman: [00:00:39] Well, welcome to Hemp Barons. Thank you for being with us today.
Jeff Kostuik: [00:00:42] My pleasure, Joy.
Joy Beckerman: [00:00:44] Now, you are a contributor to the re-emergence of this Hemp crop on a global scale of such epic proportions, I'm not quite even sure how to describe it. The the knowledge base that you have acquired since being in Manitoba before you even began your career with Hemp production services in Hemp Genetics International, you'd had a a 26 year career serving the government of Manitoba in regenerative conservation practices, starting out as a soil technician in nineteen eighty nine. And then when the regulation of the Hemp crop began federally in Canada in 1998, you were basically put in charge of the research happening in that province, which of course this is the heart in so many ways of the Hemp Hemp movement in North America. Explain to us what it was like for you in 1998 when when the crop was federally legalizing Candida and you were told, OK, you're now going to deal with Hemp. What was that like for you?
Jeff Kostuik: [00:01:50] Jeff, it's it was it was quite, quite a quite neat I guess you could say that the easiest way to put it. But we had was, as always, we always tend to struggle with our regular commodities and particularly where we're from here in Canada. We don't go a lot of corn or soybeans yet. And it's really a small rotation that we have to work with. And so part of the interest and and reintroduced in growing Hemp was that it it could be grown in the area of the province where we're from, which has a very short growing season. And I guess beginning at that point, I think the world in general we know so much more about Cannabis these days and the health benefits and the nutritional benefits. But at that time, you know, I guess there was still a lot of uncertainty with knowing whether it was Hemp or marijuana. And essentially there was a distinct line drawn in the sand that kind of made sure that those two things were separate. So we we still call it the giggle factor, where when we would go to farm shows and start talking about Hemp, you know, there would still be the comment, well, if I smoke, roll it up in to a bale of smoking, am I going to get high? And so, you know, it took a lot of time to sort of get around that stigma. But, you know, once once accepted, farmers really took to the crop and it changed changed the landscape substantially. Just a short period of time.
Joy Beckerman: [00:03:28] Now, Canada then very quickly made itself the global leader in well, quick as Hemp goes. Jeff, we all know Hemp isn't in much of a hurry, though. Everybody else is. But as time goes and it doesn't, they quickly made itself the global leader in enhanced brain processing in bulk Hemp food ingredients. Can you tell us how how that industry evolved versus fiber variety, for example? And then we can get into the extract here. And in a moment, no one in Canada, of course, until the passage of the Cannabis Act last year, no Hemp farmers could extract the flowering tops and leaves and resins. In fact, as we know, all of those parts of the plant, even the Bracks around the sea, needed to be left on farm. And we're not touchable. So in the beginning, those those were the two choices, fiber and grain. How did how was the choice made? How did that evolve?
Jeff Kostuik: [00:04:23] Yeah. So essentially, I guess just as the US is going through now, trying to bring varieties from from Europe and from Canada to be trialed, that's essentially how we started off in Canada. We brought in a lot of varieties from from Europe. And I would say most mainly from Europe. But they were destined or they were bred for sort of high fiber varieties or so lots of biomass. But there wasn't a lot known, I don't think at that particular time on the nutritional value of the Hemp seed. And those go on. And hats go off to two of the pioneers in learning much about the food product. And that's Mike Fatto, Manitoba Harvest and Shine crew of Hemp Oil Canada. And back when I began, I worked closely or fairly closely with these gentlemen as far as learning about the agronomy and how to grow the crops successfully for for grain. And those individuals certainly took the bull by the horns. And, you know, I'm not going to say exploited but made consumers aware of the nutritional value that this this crop has. And so what happened from that point on is. The breeding programs within Canada saw these tall varieties that were high grain yields.
Jeff Kostuik: [00:05:44] How could we make it easier for farmers to harvest with their conventional equipment and not have as many burning coal mines or issues with wrapping? And so a company like Hemp Genetics like ourselves. We took that large seed head and just got it closer to the ground, which increases what we call the harvest index. And so making farmers happier and being able to handle the crop more efficiently was a natural way that we were actually able to increase yields with both genetics and just learning how to handle the crop. So that's that's essentially how I would say. It's happened in Canada and in Manitoba alone. You know, this area was and still is a very prominent Hemp growing area. So the experience that the growers had was attractive for the processors. And that's why the majority of the process started off in in Manitoba. And I guess with the work that we were doing at that point, I was working for the park land. Crop Diversification Foundation. And that's where we supported the industry. It was it was a good it was a good time, everybody moving towards the same direction and moving the industry forward.
Joy Beckerman: [00:06:57] And, you know, your colleague, my mentor and colleague, Anndrea Hermann, who we had on this show here, was just talking, of course, about Parklea crop diversification and and her internship. And for a moment and then I'm excited for the listeners to learn about the Hemp Genetics International and Hemp production services. But I knew that research is as close to your heart. You love this plant. There are a few people in the world that love this plant as much as I do. And I know you do it. We talk about the importance of research right now, and I know it's a big topic. So so feel free to narrow it down to the pieces that you think are most important. But why is reason folks want this sort of plug and play? We're just going to take this Hemp plant and plug it in here. Take Hemp and make it into the paper at this paper factory or this these textiles or or this grain processing facility that Hemp is unique in every single way and research is so important. Could you elaborate on that for us?
Jeff Kostuik: [00:08:00] Sure. Yeah, absolutely. It's the research part is is quite dear to my heart. And as we move the interest, I guess, of our genetics into the US that was part of my mission or goal in life was to align myself with as many research institutes to take essentially the risks and the questions that farmers will have in a local area on how to grow the crop successfully. So just just as it is with every crop, Hemp and different varieties do better in different locations. And it's important for farmers to be able to get local data that will reflect what how the plant will perform in their area. So in a nutshell, everything on the agronomy side of things as far as the planting rate, the planting date fertility and what soils to plant it to is extremely important for every producer to know. And no one variety is going to be the answer for all. And so that's why the variety testing that we take part in, that's a multi-state trial in the US and in other trials located throughout the country that we can we can participate in is very important to make me a better agronomist so that I can provide better information and really take some of the risk to the growers who who haven't had the opportunity or the experience to work with the crop yet. So getting that filter down and that was my role prior to Hemp kinetics was an extension. So extending that information to farmers was it was and still is extremely important for me and in the contributions that you have made in that respect.
Joy Beckerman: [00:09:46] And in fact, that you still continue to add in, it's a perfect Segway. Moving in now to genetics international talk about research, breeding, unique, distinct, stable varieties that have a high nutritional profile that will produce an excellent yields that, of course, are far, far below the point. 3 percent THC threshold Hemp Genetics International comes into the world and we've got folks coming out of retirement. Your colleagues stay with this great interest in this plant. Can you tell us a little bit about the the the very unique and scholarly and accomplished team that you lead that you co-lead at Hemp, Kinetics International and even the experience around pulp crops?
Jeff Kostuik: [00:10:33] Sure. So, yeah. Genetics is really a farmer based organization, I guess, or company we have. I believe we've got nine professional agronomists on our team working, working throat. And as we mentioned, Andrii is a professional agronomist and she's and works in our sales. But the the experience that the Corps members, I guess, of the company have had initially were from the practical side of things and the experience in growing the crop. And so a lot of the information that we provide is just that it's practical and from from our from our own experience. Along with that, we've got what what is probably the world's perhaps most famous lentil breeder, Bert Vandenburg, Dr Bert vandenbergh, who leads our breeding team. And now we have a fresh young face in the crowd. Out of the crowd, I guess, Tucker Eskew Hughes also coming on board. So we we we have a lot of experience in the breeding side of things on multiple different crops. And it is something that we're looking at. To diversify a little bit more to Hemp genetics is to look at a lot of different protein crops for. For the industry and including cyber beings. And that we're great in the rotation with Hemp. They supply some some much needed nitrogen, particularly for organic situation. So we're looking at sort of a full spectrum and for full sustainability, I guess is another great buzz word that's often used. But it's really part of what what we'd like to see sort of on in the landscape and putting more tools in the farmer's toolbox to make them more successful. And so it's it does take a lot of work. And I feel quite fortunate to be involved with a team that I am to be involved with such knowledgeable people in each of their each of their silos.
Joy Beckerman: [00:12:35] Indeed. And we know, of course, that Hemp loves nitrogen.
Joy Beckerman: [00:12:39] We were shouting from the rooftops in the 90s and I apologize for this, that it doesn't take any inputs and it grows everywhere and it doesn't take water. It's the miracle plant.
Joy Beckerman: [00:12:48] And of course, form of Templer surely grow somehow in the Sahara Desert. But when we're talking about agriculture, we're talking about, you know, growing 4 for yield. And it's a hungry crop in different climates, different soils certainly take different amounts of nitrogen. And and and the other nutrients that that requires potassium, sulphur. And of course, still using a rotation with nitrogen fixing crops such as legumes or pulp crops is is so important and healthy and genetics international, the breeders there also are coming from pulse crops and are responsible, I think, for quite a few certified pedigreed varieties plus crops in the world before coming into Hemp. Is that right?
[00:13:38] That's true, yes. And I guess that was my association with Dr. Renumbered initially is when I worked as an applied research specialist in Manitoba. And we were doing work with lentils, sap beings, other pulse crops, as mentioned, peas. And it's it's obvious, as you mentioned, droit, that that Hemp can grow in just about any place, just as most plants can. But to make a crop of it and to be successful and to be to make basically to pay the bills, we have to try to treat this crop as as best we can to maximize its genetic potential and by feeding it well and taking care of it from the from the get go in return does as a favor by providing such a nutritional seed, fibre and nutritious new nutraceutical values at this time. So, you know, it's it's it's we've learned so much about the crop in a short period of time. And again, we just need to make sure that that information filters down to the growers.
Joy Beckerman: [00:14:44] And you do that so well, you and the whole team that HDI, his Genetics International and h.p.'s Hemp production and services, we've learned to turn them into their acronyms. You president. And I've had you Skyping in for years now to my educational events. Your larger than.
Joy Beckerman: [00:15:05] Life. Everyone gets to ask you questions live. And yet there you are in Manitoba or wherever you are in the world presenting. And of course, you fly all over to be physically present. And I know you work with are certainly institutions of higher education throughout the United States. Cornell, right here in New York, University of Kentucky. And so many others. And of course, the biggest drumbeat that you always and everyone in your organizations repeat is field selection, seed selection, agronomic practices. It starts with the seed and it starts with the field that you're growing in. And the education that you put out around that is just so invaluable. And that is, I think, also a wonderful Segway for us. Now, then can talk a bit about head production services, which is also works with farmers and then move into processing.
Joy Beckerman: [00:15:58] And of course, Hemp Production Services has had a great motto from our fields to your brand. So tell us a little bit about what Hemp production services does and the connections that it makes continues to make with the farmers outside of the genetics.
Jeff Kostuik: [00:16:11] So essentially we're involved with obviously the genetics is the first part of Hemp genetics and then naturally farmers need a place to market their their product. And so we we have a sister company called Hemp Production Services where we process hemp seed into hold imparts. deload, I guess is the proper. We'll press the seed for hemp oil called prest Hemp oil and then from the mehldau's left. From that we'll provide or manufacture process a protein powder from that for human consumption. So the the objective of course with Hemp production services is to again make sure that farmers are as successful as they can be. So harvesting at the proper time, how to handle the seed at a specific time and making sure that the farmers are aware that there is very little processing done to the plant itself. And so it definitely has to start at the farm because we want to make sure that we have a safe, high quality food product. And for that matter, that's it. The same goes for whether you're going for fiber or for CBD quality and force on the CBD side, you have to realize that it is going to be a product. So handling handling your crop of Hemp is much different than handling, say, a wheat crop or a soybean crop where there's going to be some process in there that has a more, more substantiated kill stop to kill any pathogens. And so we need to make sure that we work closely with farmers and to guide them in how to successfully provide this this Greek quality product for human consumption.
Joy Beckerman: [00:18:03] And it most certainly is an art. In fact, as you know, because we work closely, a Colorado Hemp works at grain processing facility that I had the pleasure and privilege of being a part owner in. And we worked very closely with Hemp production services. And in America is coming up to speed with the meeting, those types of facts. And is it, you know, a challenge to watch all of that happen? And in Canada, of course, there there is such already an expertise in so many ways from some of the more experienced farmers. And so we need to get American farmers up to speed on how to prepare, store, transport, even harvest as we know the the breaking of the hulls and making new genetics so that when when the seeds are harvested, the holes won't crack, which of course, will then damage the integrity of the seed and make it go rancid. When we talk about the nutritional profile of the unique and dense, nutritious profile of the Hemp feed, it doesn't come without a cost. It is as tough as that stock is. The seed is fragile and and so it's fantastic to to watch all of this unfolding.
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Joy Beckerman: [00:20:43] What are some things also that you see in the future? I know for h.p.'s or for for HDI. I know that one of the products that Hemp production services has added in the last year or so I believe are the toasted Hemp seed. So you do oil different protein powders, hold seeds, seeds with the holes and toasted Hemp seeds and missing anything there and anything that you're thinking about for the future that you can share with the public, as it were.
Jeff Kostuik: [00:21:14] Sure. No, I think we continually look at all aspects of the plant. And so, you know, we're currently we're we're concentrating on the food side of things with regards to with seed, but we're certainly interested in CBD production. As you mentioned, it was only August of last summer when we first became, I guess, available or or legal to play with flowering parts. And so, you know, we're sort of gently getting into that part of production. I would say with with different methods here in Canada that are somewhat different than than the US. But it's it's it's also any time that we can add value on on the farmer side of the table, it's something that we're interested in. And so we just want to make sure that what what we provide as far as a requirement or guidance, that we kind of have things figured out before we walk, before we can run, I guess, essentially. So, you know, we're continually looking at all avenues and value adding to the plants into the crop. And so nothing seems to be out of the realm of investigation with this crop. And that's the exciting part of the crop, is that it has so many different opportunities that the challenge occasionally is to stay focused on one. And that's kind of what we're trying to do currently, making sure that the food product aspect is stable and then move on to perhaps some other opportunities.
Joy Beckerman: [00:22:50] And you know, again, youexperience in agriculture experienced in Hemp patient. I happen to know you. You find women in gentlemen.. on a personal level. So patient, grounded, family oriented community people and you've got together and form these companies with basically a team of so many level head that it's ideal and we don't see that very often. Could you share with the listeners some of the common mistakes that you see in folks trying to get into Hemp? And I know it's a big world, so let's narrow it down into Hemp food production, let's say. Or or are the Hemp nutrition or even Hemp genetics businesses. What are some common mistakes that that you see as this as this revolution sort of rushes to to everyone's consciousness in North America?
Jeff Kostuik: [00:23:47] I would say with any new crop processing and having a home for what you grow is one of the biggest, I would say Flegg's that needs to be raised. There is a lot of people that want to perhaps grow Hemp to get some of the experience without really finding out what they're going to do with the crop after the fact. So I do get phone calls where someone who'll say I would like to grow Hemp. And so one of the return questions I have is what? And use market are you gearing for? And sometimes I occasionally do get the answer of, well, I'm not really sure I just want to grow Hemp because everybody's going Hemp and that's a cool thing to do these days. But so try to talk them down a bit, make sure that they have an end, use markets for their products and in doing so, making sure that the they do a good job again on the quality side of things. I think that's that's you know, anyway, for my presentation, that's something that I continually over state, I guess is making sure that quality because we do have some other product that comes in overseas. And in my mind, the North American farmer is one of the best farmers in the world. It's not the best farmers in the world producing high quality, very good products, whether it's traditional grains or Hemp. And so to maintain our place in the marketplace and and in the world, we have to make sure that that that we continue to beat that drum with regards to making sure that quality is is is a factor.
Jeff Kostuik: [00:25:27] So really, I think that's the biggest issue is is just making sure you have a home for your crop and then how to align yourself with someone that can provide you with the assistance to grow it successfully. And not to say that we have the answers for every location, but we can certainly discuss what the issues are and what is going to arise from growing the crop and then finding out what what you have for equipment and logistics and everything else to help make sure that you're successful. We're very fortunate in western Canada here because much of the infrastructure that's in place on farms is wealth has been put in place for our our other cash crop of canola. So making sure that you have the proper type of bean with aeration for reducing microbial load or minimizing microbial load, all of these things we have in place in western Canada in certain areas of the US, it may not be as readily available. So there has to be some ingenuity. And how are we going to address the situation of sea harvesting at a higher grain moisture than normal? So just know aligning yourself with with people you trust to help get to the finish line and get there successfully.
Joy Beckerman: [00:26:50] So it's important to say such important insight. And let's talk for a moment about the conversation around conventional Hemp filing versus organic. And finally, whether it's there, if he wanted to sort of dissect the conversations in general or certainly if he would be willing to share your thoughts on that subject, because we see that force and organic Hemp growth for a pretty penny then conventionally grown Hemp. What is the real difference? And that may be a regional difference, but in general, what are your thoughts? What can we share around that conversation that the listeners?
Jeff Kostuik: [00:27:29] I mean, both conventional and organic are system based approaches. And I would suggest that organic is is you know, it's often described as playing a game of chess where some conventional farms might be checkers. So you really, really you know, it doesn't mean that it cannot be a science based decision or science based decisions can't be made. There's as we mentioned earlier, the you know, the crop is definitely a hungry crop. How can we make sure that the nutrients are there for Hemp both in the conventional and also on the organic side of things? So as we said, proper crop rotation, utilizing animal manure, a number of these different things and always once again, keeping in mind about quality and food safety. So there's I think there's there's excellent opportunity on both ends of the scale, both for conventional and organic. And it's it's the same same spiel, I guess you could say, is that you just have to make sure that you understand how what the crop can give you as an advantage. And then what are some of the issues that you have to keep in mind as far as, let's just say, weed control in organic? There's a lot of mis information, I guess, out there that says that Hemp can kill weeds, which is not quite true.
Jeff Kostuik: [00:28:59] So you still have to control weeds and give Hemp the advantage that it needs to suppress weeds.
Jeff Kostuik: [00:29:05] It will certainly do a job suppressing weeds, but you have to still give the plant the advantage over some traditional weeds and it can compete very readily. But if not, given that chance, you could be in for a disaster. So there's. Subtleties like that. Another it's not really that subtle, I guess. But those types of issues you have to make sure are addressed prior to planting the crop in both of those situations.
Joy Beckerman: [00:29:31] Indeed. And thank you for that. And I also notice the Environmental Protection Agency here in the U.S. had a public comment period. They were can at pesticide that many of which were one of which was just name oil, and many of which included neem oil and some other things that they were looking to approve for Hemp. I didn't get any approved pesticides in Canada for Hemp.
Jeff Kostuik: [00:29:56] Yeah. On the herbicide side of things, we have minor use registration on on one or two different products.
Jeff Kostuik: [00:30:06] One is a pre precede product. One is an in crop spray. And then we also have some some grassy weed control options also that are on the registered list. So we do have that and it's it. Yeah, it obviously helps. It's more tools and a farmers tools toolbox and helps grow the crop much more successfully.
Joy Beckerman: [00:30:32] And could you let us know if some of the differences are things the American consumers aren't consumers around the globe can be concerned with? When we look at seed seed for human consumption that is now coming out of China. Now they are the leaders in textiles, clearly and Hemp textiles and other aspects of Hemp. But we don't normally think of things for human consumption coming out of China. Could you tell us what some of those differences may be in the quality of that food product based versus the food products coming out of Canada? The European Union and certainly the United States?
Jeff Kostuik: [00:31:10] Well, I think I think what North America has embraced lately is actually just traceability. And our company takes out extremely serious. Also, so I can take a look at a bag of our Hemp parts. Take a look at what the light code that identifies, you know, where it was grown. And just with our our direct communication with the farmers, I could probably tell you what crop was grown. Three years previous to two Hemp being grown there. And so that I think that's the most important thing. Without getting into, I guess, a lot of detail with with other countries. But traceability, knowing where your food product comes from is very important, I think, for for the North American consumer. And that's one of the things that's provided by North American processed grain, essentially. And and it's in my mind that's it's it's it's an important part of of, again, keeping and keeping the family safe and then making sure that that you know, exactly where your food comes from.
Joy Beckerman: [00:32:15] And we have such a great relationship, the United States and Canada, that I really see us as as a joint force here, although I don't even like to use those words as a joint effort to work together to deliver this crop in all of its healthy and beneficial ways to the rest of the globe. How are some ways that you can see Canada and the United States working together as as a coalition and working together strategically to enrich our country, stimulate our mutual economies, create jobs and continue to deliver on the promise of this versatile, valuable Hemp crop?
Jeff Kostuik: [00:32:52] Yeah, I guess it's just I continue to reiterate, but standards working together on on food standards working together, we call them I-A for projects on on herbicides. So instead of having, you know, initially as as the U.S. gears up and of course the has such such an ability to produce any crop in such vast amounts. But I mean, working together to, you know, to to make sure that the value chain that everybody in the value chain, I guess, is is an important and important has played an important role in this financially successful to make sure that that the crop can thrive and can be processed and delivered to consumers in a good manner. You know, there's going to be there's no doubt there'll be some headbutting. Also, Canada has established itself as a world leader in the food side of things. The US has the opportunity to to challenge that. And I'd be you know, I'm not naive enough to say that we are somewhat concerned about that. But at the same time, I think the bottom line is that we see the value and and together as we move forward, the consumer awareness, again, we're moving a lot of the stigma with people thinking that if you had a handful of Hemp parts, that you would feel like. All this stuff is important in a united message in the end. Research and clinical studies that help solidify what little evidence is showing is going to be critical. So I think in that matter together, we can we can make a difference for sure.
Joy Beckerman: [00:34:40] It's fantastic. I can personally thank you enough for all that you share through all of my educational efforts, all of the many conferences that I'm involved with in seminars and educational opportunities throughout the United States and in fact, the globe, that you are such an integral part of a tireless warrior out there, not only to advance the crop in in meaningful physical ways through genetics, through the processing of the grain, through the teaching of the farmers, but in sharing the information and working with with these institutions of higher education, you are truly a hero of Hemp heroes, Jeff, and it's a real honor to have you on today. Thank you for everything you do. And thank you for being with us on Hemp Barons today.
Jeff Kostuik: [00:35:25] It is always a pleasure speaking with you, Joy. So all the best to you. And thank you so much. You're making me blush.
Jeff Kostuik: [00:35:30] It's just great. And thank you for all that you do.
[00:35:35] You're an honor and a pleasure, brother. Until next time. And please send my highest to you, yours and everyone at the Hemp Production Services in Hemp Genetics International. We'll do. Thanks again.
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