The Seminar Group is an accredited legal and professional education provider and offers continuing education credits. Chris Terp & Steph von Mende join Joy Beckerman to talk about their upcoming Seminar: Business Issues in Cannabis and Industrial Hemp in Oakland CA on February 27th that can be viewed live on Webcast. Produced by PodCONX https://podconx.com/guests/chris-terp https://podconx.com/guests/steph-von-mende
The Seminar Group is an accredited legal and professional education provider and offers continuing education credits. Chris Terp & Steph von Mende join Joy Beckerman to talk about their upcoming Seminar: Business Issues in Cannabis and Industrial Hemp in Oakland CA on February 27th that can be viewed live on Webcast.
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Dan Humiston: [00:00:07] Welcome to another episode of Hemp Barons, I'm Dan Humiston. And on today's show, Joy talks Cannabis education with a leading accredited legal and professional education provider. They talk about how the constantly evolving regulation makes it so important for all professionals working in the emerging industries to stay informed in how many professions are now accepting continuing education credits. Let's join Joy's conversation with Chris TARP and Stephane Montee from the seminar group.
Joy Beckerman: [00:00:46] Well, welcome, Chris and Steph, thank you for being with us on Hemp Barons today. Joy, Joy, thanks for having us today.
Joy Beckerman: [00:00:51] Such a pleasure. You know, the seminar Group has been a part of my life since nineteen ninety eight, about a year after the seminar. Our group was formed and founded in 1997 as a legal and professional education group based in the Pacific Northwest, right near Seattle on Gorgeous Fashion Island. And my the bulk of my doing career in Hemp has been as a compliance and complex civil litigation paralegal, mostly working for high end firms in the Seattle area on the West Coast. And so I moved to the West Coast with my then two young boys who are now twenty seven and twenty nine and began work as a legal secretary and then quickly became a paralegal and then a senior paralegal to some very high profile cases being put forth in those Seattle firms. And a seminar group was a staple, a staple throughout law firms across the United States. But certainly in that area. And my goodness, then the revolution occurred because as you folks know, I have the store and I've been in the Hemp movement since the early 90s. And when the revolution occurred that Cannabis first medical marijuana, then don't use marijuana.
Joy Beckerman: [00:02:07] Then Hemp became legal up and down the West Coast. The seminar group was one of the first I think the first professional early continuing legal education purveyor of these these credit bearing, continuing legal education credits and to enter the candidate market and begin to really chop wood and carry the water on those emerging industries. By doing what? By providing professional education on the developing and now rapidly developing bodies of law and regulation around all forms of Cannabis. And we're just so thrilled when that began to happen. And in disclosure, of course, to our listeners and very, very honored to be a part of presenting for those programs. And and most relevantly, as I've been doing that I think was a seminar group since 2014. But being the program chair for the upcoming CVB considerations in the Pacific Northwest and Seattle on March 24th, dialing it back here, it's Chris. Chris Chert who decided that the seminar group needed to be birthed into the world. Chris, tell us what brought you into professional and legal education?
Chris Terp: [00:03:28] Well, this is a family business, so I have done a couple of things prior to this. Right out of college at University of Puget Sound, I went to work as a brewer for minimums. And in Oregon, I did that for five years. I bought my uncle's restaurant in Colorado. I did that for five years. I moved back here and I was going to open up another restaurant. My mom said she needed some help down it. At the seminar group. And that was the beginning of it. I've loved it ever since. It's education, which I really liked. I did go back to school myself and got an advanced degree in business and we like what we do. It's it's fun. It's cutting edge.
Chris Terp: [00:04:05] Sometimes we get to the party a little early, meaning we're there before an issue is really an issue. An example would be driverless cars. We did a program on driverless cars a few years ago and that was ahead of schedule. We need to wait here for the next couple of years. The marijuana industry, we saw the writing on the wall as it was poised to be legalized in many different forms. State by state was interesting. The fact that it's not federal. The fact that it's local, state by state. Allowed us to to tap into all these different markets with all their own nuances and laws and regulations here in Washington State. I had worked with a gentleman named Dan Harris and Dan is an international law attorney and we have done some programs on doing business in Asia with him. And when this came about, they had hired Hillary Bricking, who you all know, she was in charge of their alcoholic beverage section of their law firm. Well, of course, in Washington state, marijuana was absorbed into the the Liquor Control Commission and made things very interesting.
Chris Terp: [00:05:20] And we had to learn it at a high rate of speed. How to put these together. I think that the Alcohol Commission did a great job. And the fact that they went out and they had town hall meetings to address people's questions and concerns well ahead of the fact of the timing where marijuana was legalized and in one form or another. Hillary Bricking led the charge from the private side, representing companies that were pushing to become legal and become licensed and actual businesses. And we've been lucky enough to follow Harris Breckin. Is there any firm as they grow? They use us to get the word out. We're happy to work with them. They always sit on the front lines. They know exactly what's going on in these different markets. And so that's how we got into continuing education for the marijuana industry. It continues to change. It continues to evolve. We're excited that it's been legalized in Illinois. We're doing our first program here in Illinois. We're going to Michigan again. It was just legalized two years ago. Florida, maybe. Florida has been kind of a tentative. Colorado I do not go to because my cousin's company, Sealy International, is located Denver and we let them take it from there. But Oregon, California, these are big markets for us. We've seen a lot of changes and that's good for us.
Chris Terp: [00:06:42] We'd like to see changes because then we can we can present new cutting edge issues to our potential clients. I would say back in the year 2000 when it was new, we had a certain type of clientele. Typically, they were almost kind of armchair quarterbacks within the marijuana field who said, aha, I can find they do what I've always loved to do. They got you know, it was that was a tough fight for a lot of those people, the early adopters.
Chris Terp: [00:07:11] They were the ones that fought and succeeded and were able to get the licenses open. I think they did quite well. Next came more legitimate businesses.
Chris Terp: [00:07:22] And I say that because it was more accepted by the general populace and that would be insurance, banking, lending, real estate, and that that's when we really saw an increase, because now we're looking at a more mainstream group of people that want to invest in this certain law firms. Early on said, no, we will not represent marijuana because it's illegal federally, especially if they have interstate offices. However, they soon realized that a lot of their clients inadvertently were marijuana clients. For instance, if a person owned a building and had lots of different space to rent out and they were renting to a marijuana industry, they were a marijuana client. So we've seen the big firms accept us, try to work with it, try to deal with it. I think now we're kind of onto the third tier, which is a consolidation of the different businesses, meaning the smaller businesses are either going bankrupt or being bought up with bigger businesses. And and we'll see where it goes from here. It's exciting to be at the front lines and watch this change so dramatically over the last 10 years. And we're happy to be a part of it.
Joy Beckerman: [00:08:33] Well, we're so happy that you're a part of it. And and we, of course, here at Hemp Barons are particularly concerned with the Hemp crop, specifically the Hemp crop and the very unique bodies of law and regulation surrounding Hemp, which, of course, as we all know. And one day we won't have to talk about this incredibly versatile plant that that meets all of humanity's needs.
Joy Beckerman: [00:08:58] Cannabis, the in the terms that we do right now. But on the heels of historical prohibition and round the intoxicating component of the cannabis plant, which is T8, the Delta 9 tetrahydrocannabinol, we have these these emerging and print bodies of law and regulation and and for the listeners out there. Well, I think the basic fundamental point so that you're aware is that what their licenses, just like doctors, in order for them to keep their licenses, need to do to educate themselves. There were changes in the law of states, in the law, updates in the way law is being interpreted and so on and so forth. And so they must meet a certain number of credits of continuing legal education or CLV credits in order to keep their licenses.
Joy Beckerman: [00:09:49] And so generally folks study that which is involved in their practice area. And also there are certain requirements, like all lawyers have to have an ethics CLB every every time they go to renew their bar licenses. And it's different in different states. But I find it fascinating that folks began to realize as much as they didn't want to get into Cannabis in any form, whether it be marijuana or whether it be Hemp that they were already involved in it because their existing clients were somehow getting involved with it with the unfolding of the revolution here. And I you know, Dorsey and Whitney is a firm that I worked at for quite some time. And Michael, Drogue is is a meaning shareholder partner there and is still a very active mentor in my life today. And Mark, when they finally open, they're what they call their Cannabis and Hemp practice group. Michael called I think it was a year and a half ago. And he said, Joy, I do believe hell has frozen over. And he sent me a link to the page. And I just I just my heart was singing because I was working at Dorsey and Whitney between nineteen ninety eight and I think two thousand and three or so with long dreadlocks down past my Dary heir and my nickname was Ratha, the hardest working, highest billable hour billing paralegal in the in the shop. And just imagine my my heart was warmed.
Joy Beckerman: [00:11:21] So Hemp is actually another one of those topics where maybe a little too early in terms of absolutely not too early to offer as the seminar group guys a Hemp portion or a component within a larger marijuana or adult and rexy adult and medical use Cannabis the alley. There's always a Hemp portion and I've been very honored to be able to conduct a large majority of those Hemp components over the last five years with the seminar group and we discussed along the way. Is it time yet for there to be a full day or in one day, even a two day CLB seminar dedicated exclusively to Hemp? And you know, we're we're really just. I think we're quite there yet. It would be a little early, even though it's a fascinating area of loss that is rapidly developing and holding in multiple states. But I feel like just like what we're doing with the seminar group for CBD considerations in the Pacific Northwest, it's probably a half a day or so right now. Stephanie, if I could ask you a question. You're often in the room. You are the program coordinator, you're chasing down the speakers. And it's not easy in these emerging areas of law. It's very easy with folks who are doing various aspects of water rights, law or real estate law or commercial litigation. Those getting those programs together are standard in many, many cases. It's a file save as and there's just some updates to the extent they exist.
Joy Beckerman: [00:12:59] But any new just literally being developed emerging bodies. It's difficult. Stephanie gets to taste everybody down and is often there facilitating physically in the room. These these programs with the various speakers that are also often livestreamed at the same time. So folks can be physically in the room and be present for the CLEC and oftentimes the seminar group with its large technological capabilities and very professional and staff. Also livestreams them and the lawyers can engage remotely lies from wherever they are. And sometimes they're available, of course, after the fact. So that folks can can take advantage of the of the learning if they weren't able to be there or participate remotely like. Stephanie, so tell me, do you have any stories in your story bank? Because I know that I often get get to my portion of the Hemp portion of these one and two dcl e's and everyone's learned so, so much about marijuana. And then I come into the camp. Things are so different, the way it's handled, the way the different State Department of AG and State Department of Health in various jurisdictions, jurisdictions are are developing the law and policy. Do these stories in your database of of a brain, there are your memory bank of something unique that happened or something that in a tree reported to you after after learning something new about Hemp in one of these seminars.
Steph von Mende: [00:14:40] Joy, I do find that when I host these conferences, the attorneys that do attend and also other professionals are always overjoyed that we're doing a program on that subject matter. And they're happy that seminar group is doing it. We just were well-known for holding extremely professional programs, which the best faculty that we can assemble. And they come up to me after the programs and often thank me for putting on such an incredible program on a topic that most people aren't covering at that point in time or certainly don't have senators and mayors and state representatives speaking out. So it's it's nice that we are able to acquire these faculty members that can then really educate people on information that's very difficult for them to attain in any other means. The news doesn't cover the information that they need to know. There's really aren't any books or literature on it. Very few podcasts and things like that that actually address regulatory and legal aspects. So it's quite nice to know that the work that we're doing is well received out there in the world and it feels like a sense of accomplishment after every marijuana seminar that I hosted. And it's just a delightful group of people to work with as well.
Steph von Mende: [00:15:50] I find that the people that practice in this space tend to be fairly down to earth in their joint work with well and they're well received because the speakers and the content is so professionally curated. And that's what is so amazing, I think about about the seminar group. And it's why folks keep keep coming back again to be able with Chris mentioned, have access to Hillary Bricking, who really is. I hate to use the word in terms of such and such a noble profession, but a straight up rock star nationally and up and down the West Coast, really not only in getting in there in the developing law and regulation, but also leading the industry and guiding clients. Harris Bricking has really been guiding clients in all forms of Cannabis industry as leader since the very beginning. And so to have a gal like Harris frikkin or an attorney, I should say, like Harris Frikkin involved in this with all of her connections, has Ibe in the tower. In fact, I was brought on to the seminar group for my relationship with with Hillary. Breckin, of course, has been just a tremendous boost. But it's the. Group's commitment to that level of professionalism that obviously creates this success and creates these robust programs that are allowing lawyers then to go forth, guide their clients and build the Hemp economy, build the Cannabis economy. So effectively so much of that effective guidance and advice, it gets traced back directly to the seminar group and the ACLU and the information that you're putting forth.
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Joy Beckerman: [00:18:27] You mentioned also scarf. Absolutely. The lawmakers and the regulators that you have speaking at these events, you know, for folks to be able to directly address nuanced questions.
Joy Beckerman: [00:18:41] You know, you're never going to be able to get these folks on the on the phone. They're very, very busy. If you're not already a licensee, it's going to be very difficult to escalate your question up to a high level regulator or a lawmaker. You're talking to a legislative aide. You're talking to an assistant. When we talk to these lone lawmakers, but when we're in the room at a seven hour group, CLV, we have direct access. And what's even more incredible is you're in a roomful of attorneys and other regulators and industry leaders and professionals. As you well know, there are CPA is real estate agents on a number of ancillary professions that are involved in these in these emerging markets that are in the room. But they get the benefit again of these really kind of hairsplitting. And that's what it comes down to in so many ways, whether it's Cannabis or Hemp, these developing areas of law, the hairsplitting, nuanced questions that these lawyers are asking that everyone is benefiting from and getting the answers directly from the horse's mouth of the lawmakers and the regulators and how they're treating that.
Joy Beckerman: [00:19:47] And oftentimes sometimes the answer is we haven't figured out how to handle that yet. And as a result, we're inclined to do this and or as a result, we're doing the enforcement officers the ability to use their discretion. This is a very, very valuable information for folks to have. And the other thing is that these lawyers and other professionals are bringing with them to the audience the various crazy flash unusual circumstances that they've run into as a result of serving their clients. And so it really does become a just a breeding ground and a training ground to really dial in how to handle some of these unusual confounding and in many ways contradicting the situations we find ourselves in. And I think contradicting because sometimes local law contradicts state law contradicts federal law in a multitude of areas where things intersect. When we're talking about any form of Cannabis, whether it's marijuana or Hemp, we're talking about having to touch in to the public health law, criminal law, agricultural laws, you know, real estate law, all of those things. So it's just very, very fascinating.
Joy Beckerman: [00:21:00] Let me ask you, Chris, in terms of the future, what do you see in trends and what are some other things that that the seminar group is looking at for and whether it's adults and medical cannabis or indoor Hemp or any of the specifics, of course, markets that Hemp serve its derivatives and so on.
Chris Terp: [00:21:22] I've got a quick question for you, Joy, because we haven't talked about this in a while. What do you think the future of Hemp is? You know, initially Hemp was a Cannabis product, but without the THC, I envision robing clothing. And what. What do you see as the future of ofhealth and then perhaps the relation to CBD and the relation to marijuana.
Joy Beckerman: [00:21:52] Oh, so happy to ask that. I love this is hardly ever happens. Well, the world of Hemp is huge, Chris. And I'm so thrilled that you have asked this question because Hemp serves all of the needs of humanity. It, of course, is the highest digestible form of protein in the entire plant and animal kingdom more digestible protein than soy chicken. Whey these. And that's because it doesn't have any Timpson inhibitors. It has a full menu of amino acids and various other things. So right there for human and animal nutrition, that is a gigantic market. And of course, we see that the predictors from data analytics that are out there say that there will be a compound annual growth rate of 24 percent between now and 2022 in the Hemp market for a variety of reasons. Gluten intolerance or an increase in celiac Hemp is a non gluten crop as well as this desire, of course, to find vegetarian vegan sources of protein. And the fact that we have a fast growing carbon sequestering plants here that can produce this dense nutrition and feed the world and feed the animals is a huge game changer. But that's just the very beginning. We get into body care, nutraceuticals, pharmaceuticals, paper, textiles, building materials, bio composites, bioplastics, industrial sequencing coatings, energy fuel storage for energy such as batteries, nano techno.
Joy Beckerman: [00:23:24] Biomedical applications. Somebody stop me. I mean, the. The trillion dollar industries for Hemp. Is they're endless. And in fact, all forms of Cannabis. Because the issue comes down to a plant that lends itself to processing. Right. And so when we look at a cannabis plant that is grown for medical or adult use, it looks more like a tree. It's with branches and noting and the trunk of the tree is of varying diameters, whereas Hemp in it's certified pedigreed genetics grown strictly for the fiber market, so to speak, grown very, very close together. Two to three hundred plants per square meter with very uniform diameter is hardly any branching or noting or lease at all. So we really get into what market we're trying to serve here. But the bottom line is that while there are some genetic differences, of course, in the resinous parts and flowering parts of Hemp and marijuana types of of Cannabis, there's very little genetic differences in the stock itself, which is the most valuable bio cellulose on the planet. And by that I mean we have even discovered on the nanoscale and the nano meter is one billionth of a meter. I mean, that is just the smallest, most infinitesimal measure of measuring unit that we have. And we have now seen, because we have the technology to look at things on the nanoscale, that is that Hemp bio cellulose has surface area and strength.
Joy Beckerman: [00:25:05] Second only to graphite whiskers and carbon nanotubes, which materials, of course are cost-prohibitive even to perform research and development on, much less to create products that mere mortals could buy on the shelves of our grocery and department stores. So it's a real game changer in that respect and we're going to see these developing markets as infrastructure and innovation come online. Europe is way ahead of us in terms of building materials, bio composites, bioplastics, as is Australia. And then China is way ahead of us in terms of textiles with Hemp. And we can think prohibition, of course, for the retardation or the arrested development of these types of innovations and ingenuity. But what's amazing is the plant has now been liberated, particularly in the United States, has reclaimed its place in the broad light of day with America's other agricultural crops as a result of the 2018 farm bill and these researchers from universities to well-funded companies around the world, but all over the United States are all over this plant and are so excited about it and all of the surprises and the changes that it brings and the things that they learn. And so while this infrastructure developed, still we don't want our our farmers to grow so much biomass for markets for which there is no infrastructure to process it and manufactured goods.
Joy Beckerman: [00:26:36] So we've we've been asking how the movement has been going is sort of we've been working in tandem and putting one foot in front of the other, but asking farmers to grow a crop for which there's very little infrastructure and then asking investors to invest in an infrastructure for which there was very little crop. Well, now we have we've gangbusters here. We probably grew about two hundred and thirty thousand acres of Hemp in the United States last year are the 2019 growing season. About five hundred and eleven or so thousand acres were actually permitted to grow. But that's not how much we're actually planted, whether it was lack of land, genetics, funding, that type of thing. People applied for that many acres, but that wasn't as many that were planted in those two hundred and thirty thousand acres. Probably only one hundred and fifteen or so, 50 to 60 percent of that will be harvested or was harvested again due to non-compliant crops or lack of funding. Didn't have a place to store it or dry. It didn't have the equipment to harvest, it didn't have the labor, so on and so forth. This is what the unfolding of the re-emergence of of a crop like Hemp looks like CBD.
Joy Beckerman: [00:27:50] Boy, you really hit the nail on the head when you said a low hanging fruit and sort of entering saturation here. And again, while I see Hemp extract and I try to say that this is certainly CBD Cannabis dial an incredibly powerful, non intoxicating cannabinoids for which we see so many benefits improving general wellness. Lots of medical research going on in the World Health Organization, having performed and published its critical review, says this is safe. This is promising. We do not see a potential for. Tendency or abuse with this.
Joy Beckerman: [00:28:27] But keep in mind that there are now we're up to over one hundred and forty can adenoids that we have discovered in this plant, and ten or so years ago we'd only discovered sixty.
Joy Beckerman: [00:28:38] And so we're seeing CBG Cannabis jeer all and we're seeing CVN Kanab and all and some others, particularly CBG and CBS now starting to come on the market. I have in my own possession a CBG isolate. I have a CB and vape pen. These products are out there and they're only going to continue. So I do is that these that the extract market and the general wellness market for both animals and humans and particularly the medical and therapeutic market is obviously huge. But again, the trillion dollar market, I would say for Hemp are those more industrial markets. And we are waiting for the FDA because CVB is absolutely legal. The 2018 Farm Bill leak removed from the Controlled Substances Act Hemp and its extract compounds derivatives, cannabinoids. The word is actually in the definition.
Joy Beckerman: [00:29:36] The issue is that because GW Pharmaceuticals went through, as any company does, if they want to get a drug approved in the United States, they go through an eye and do process and investigational new drug process. And of course, we are certainly waiting for the FDA to create its regulatory framework so that there will be we'll move beyond a guidance position.
Joy Beckerman: [00:30:02] Currently, the guidance position for the FDA is that since CBD pure ISO CBD has been approved as a drug in the form of a dialects, that it should not be sold as in or marketed as a dietary supplement or a food. But that is a guidance position at present. And until they make either a final agency determination or there's some final action, it will remain as a guidance position as they acquire scientific and safety data regarding CBB in its use in humans and animals as a dietary supplement, as a food and then create a regulatory framework. So but having said that, as you know, these markets are huge. So the the sky is the limit for the Senate Armed Group and and what it will be able to offer folks to as the as the Hemp industries expand. I mean, the Hemp building materials industry alone is will eventually take up a full day seminar just on Hemp building materials, just law and regulation related to Hemp Creed, Hemp board and flooring. All of those things. So I see an Hemp. I see a world that is going to become Hemp blended very quickly because it is a fast growing natural resource that has so many distinct characteristics and unique qualities that when blended in, any of these industrial markets or other markets actually create a superior product, whether it's in performance or longevity or both.
Chris Terp: [00:31:43] Well, you know, we couldn't agree more. We're looking forward to the next stages that the new products that are coming out of people like you leading the charge and getting these things up to speed. This is a wide open area for us within the educational field that we're happy to jump out of. I'm glad that we have a little bit of history behind us to lead us into this and lead our clients into this as well. Staff, do you have thoughts on the clients that you interacted with them on Hemp and the potentials?
Steph von Mende: [00:32:17] Yeah. You know, I'm finding that a lot of people aren't really even aware of all the benefits of Hemp and the things that it's able to do. So when we do have that Hemp topic at the conferences, people are delighted to hear about it. Even some of the attorneys don't realize all the ins and outs of of the different things that you can do is Hemp. So I think that it's a great topic to include in our programs. And definitely a great resource for the whole planet.
Joy Beckerman: [00:32:44] I couldn't be more grateful for the for really the seminar group going for it. And again, in all forms of Cannabis, it's such an important part of building these industries and building these economies. We as much as people want to make jokes about lawyers, it's law and regulation and money that are making this world go around. And we've got to educate the lawyers if we want to change the world. And and Hemp is here to do that for us. And so it's just really thrilling. And and again, if you want to look folks who want to explore more and it's not just even though we keep talking about Seeley's continuing legal education credits, all kinds of professionals come to these to be educated. And and Chris, could you tell us a little bit about how lawyer nonlawyers may be able to get credit for attending these events?
Chris Terp: [00:33:43] Most professionals can get credit for these programs. So the seminar group we are continuing legal and professional education provider. If anyone asks, I point to the fact that we are like legal and regulatory. That's what we look at. So I always get these programs approved for continuing legal education. However, if the program would apply to someone else, someone was in the health industry, someone it was in the design industry, somewhere within the insurance industry. We figure out how to get credits for that. And sometimes there are certain professions that are so small and so finite that we don't see them on our radar. However, we give everyone a certificate of attendance. We give everyone all the materials to outline. And typically that's all you need to apply for for self study credits. So we try to we. To accommodate as many professions as possible. We are not a sales pitch. We are just education with an education, legal and regulatory. And we like our knish. There's there's not very many groups that do exactly what we do. We are the opposite of a sales pitch. We. We just tell people the facts and let them figure out how to make their world better and help them serve their clients better by going to these events. I get a lot of government folks who attend are meetings, especially within environmental law, because these are things that they don't particularly understand or are trained in. If they're government officials but not not attorneys, we get a lot of NGOs, meaning non-governmental organizations or non-profits. That's all for the same reason. To learn how to protect the planet in whatever form they're pursuing. I get students who go to our programs and oftentimes we can allow them or we can give them some type of continuing education credits for their class. They need to prove that they get some extra curricular curricular activity. We can provide that for them as well. And I would say that we get a lot of press tour our programs and anytime someone from the press shows up, they can get six to eight articles out of attending our our program.
Chris Terp: [00:35:59] So we'll give them a lot of potential material with which they can they can write about or disseminate to to their their their fan base. So, yeah, and thanks, Joy, for being part of our educational system. It's been a pleasure working with you. And I'm glad that you're doing so much for the industry. I'm glad that you're doing this podcast. This this all helps, you know, just getting the information out there. This all helps because this is a you know, traditionally it's been a black market economy and it's coming into the real world now. And it is going to be impactful and within your CBD. You know, we're looking at some of the early adopters we saw or about to be used within half, some of the early adopters and stuff. But on a larger scale, you know, who is going to come up and do the next ten thousand hundred thousand acres of Hemp products? And then how are you going to get those Hemp products to the the producers who create the products that you have cited? I think this is a wide open industry and I hope you do really well in this. And we're glad to have you on that site promoting this.
Joy Beckerman: [00:37:18] Well, it's such an honor and a pleasure. And I and I think, too, what's fascinating about Hemp is, of course, most of Hemp, the most of the plant has never been illegal a day in the history of the United States of America. So we've never had a market for them. Hemp grain industry or the Hemp fiber industrial industries. It's just that as of 1970, the Controlled Substances Act, it became a crime to grow the plant. So then we became the world's largest importers, although we always were. Even traditionally, England and the United States always were huge importers.
Joy Beckerman: [00:37:52] But the United States, as it sits today, is still the largest importer of Hemp and it's own Controlled Substances Act that that made that occur. So it's just fascinating.
Joy Beckerman: [00:38:03] And then, of course, there has absolutely been that illicit or black market, as you say, far from marijuana, just so important to get the fog of prohibition and all of the hysteria and non science based non information and non facts, re-educating folks and getting the social engineering that occurred starting in the early thirties out of everyone's mind and just start treating these things like the commodities that they are, like the safe and legal commodities that they are. And things can learn more by going to the seminar group got next. Remember, that's the seminar group Dot Net. And for folks who wants to participate remotely or be there in person on March 24th, I am again very proud to be the program chair for the seminar group CLV a half day CLV in downtown Seattle at the Crown Plaza. And it is CBD considerations in the Pacific Northwest where I will be giving a state and federal legal update with legal considerations. We will have an attorney there speaking. Daniel sort of Heron's bricking himself, speaking about CBD products, legal and regulatory issues around that, as well as DMP issues, current good manufacturing practices and the codes of federal regulation that apply to these products to these Hemp extract CBD products and label.
Joy Beckerman: [00:39:36] And marketing and branding considerations. So this is really going to be jam packed. And for those who are either already involved in the industry and I deal with all the time, folks are already involved in the Hemp CBD industry, but they have no foundation. They have literally just jumped into it without availing themselves of the tremendously complex intersecting bodies of law and regulation that affect the very businesses that they're engaged in. And then folks who want to get into it. This is for you. I'd love to meet everybody in person, but I think it's wonderful again. The seminar group has just very vast technological capabilities and this will also be live streamed on the webcast. But please go to the seminar group Dot Net to check that out again, March 24th. Yes, Chris. It's an honor and a pleasure to know you. Thank you for everything that you do for all areas of law. But obviously, and in particularly for the critical and emerging areas of law surrounding all forms of Cannabis medical adult use and Hemp prison staff.
Joy Beckerman: [00:40:39] Thank you so much for being with us today.
Steph von Mende: [00:40:41] Oh, thanks so much, Joy. It's been a pleasure speaking with you. And thank you for having such promise extra on the court. We can't wait. Bye, guys.
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